MTH and Beyer-Garrett Steam?

Nice, but that IS in Australia.

Since MTH also does British outline trains too, the LMS and the LNER had Beyer Garretts 2-6-0+0-6-2s and 2-8-0+0-8-2s respectively.

I have often thought that only MTH would be in a manufacturing position to make the Beyer-Garrett. 

The issue  think, would be, "in what scale?"  Due to them running, I believe, on narrow gauge track, would the product be in 1:32 using typical G gauge track,  1:?? scale to run on 1 1/4" 0 gauge track,  1:48 using 0n3 track or 1:48 using 0n30 track.

I just hope they do not make a War Bonnet fantasy version.

tt 

The LMS and LNER as well as the Australian Garretts were standard gauge. The South African and New Zealand Garretts were meter gauge. South Africa also had 2 footers. And other lands had them in many gauges.

its just an example of type, not continent.I thought that much was self explanatory.

The first example still operates in Wales. Pretty remarkable.

I'd be worried about MTH messing up the sound set.  They seem to like to make steam locomotives very noisy, where this video shows that steamers can be rather quiet.  But it also seemed that there wasn't a fire in the boiler either as I couldn't hear the blower or see much except exhaust out the stack.

But in the end, whoever (MTH or Lionel) makes the 4-8-4+4-8-4 first will get my money.

Well, considering the made the narrow gauge? Galloping Goose in O standard gauge, I'd think they would just size the engine for standard gauge.

ETS trains makes a tinplate version of the 2-6-0-0-6-2 beyer-garrett now and they have for some time.  Its conventional running but by all accounts they make a fine smooth running engine, available with several different coupler styles and power source styles.

If I ever get enough spare cash I'll pick on up. Check it out here.

That being said I'd love to see either an Australian or South African one from MTH.  I would have to make a lot of small payments but eventually it would be mine...

Narrow gauge version..Ive become a real fan of this type.

Actually, South Africa and New Zealand are 3 foot 6 inch gauge.

Stuart

Darn that metric system. I stand corrected. What is a meter in proper inches anyways? Never mind, I can Google that.

Sure, in motion they make noise, but I mainly mean when they are standing still.  MTH adds way too much sounds like compressors and pumps and stoker noises when they are in neutral.  Where as my K-Line steamers with RailSounds when in neutral you only hear the very faint sound of the fire and a couple of other things, which is more like the real steamers I have been around (The 844 and 4449) and the 1/4 scale and 1.5 inch scale steamers I have fired.

Having "been around" a fair number of real steam locomotives myself, they do indeed make a fair bit of "noise" sitting still, except when they are "on display". While "on display", oil fired steam locomotives such as SP 4449, UP 844, UP 3985, and AT&SF 3751, certainly do NOT make much noise since the air pumps and dynamotors are usually shut off. Now a coal burner, like NKP 765 or Mil Rd 261, should still have the occasional stoker sounds while "on display", even with the air pumps shut off.

I certainly do NOT find the sounds of a steam locomotive stopped/standing, as offered by MTH and/or Lionel, objectionable since I believe they both have done a pretty good job (except for that stupid 'cab chatter'), in my opinion.

Having heard a fair share of both lionel and mth steam sound sets, I prefer Lionel's steam sound sets. I feel as if MTH's sound sets have the air pump sounds occur way too much. Just a matter of opinion.

Has anyone here been able to ride/drive a beyer-garret? Or even seen one in person? I have not, but its on my railroading bucket list. 

I always thought that this style loco would have performed well on US shortlines where axle loading was a concern. Also being able to bring more power to bear with nimble footprint could help too.  I'm thinking of logging or industrial routes where an 2-6-2 - 2-6-2 could get into places an 8 driver loco could not and yet still have steam production of a large boiler.  Additionally two loads from smaller unsprung rotating components would produce less stress on the rail than one set of larger unsprung rotating components.

At one point I was an avid 15" gauge railroader, as a member of both the Joshua Tree and Southern, and the Reading Society of Model Engineers.  I had a pipe dream of building a cab-forward beyer-garret in 15" gauge with all modern controls like solenoid activated cylinder cocks, light oil firing, and automated feed water control.

Ah to dream....

Opinion noted. Now, have you compared those model locomotive sounds to the real locomotives?

I think that you will find that the various geared steam locomotives (Shay, Climax, and Heisler) filled those requirements VERY well in the U.S..

That's what Shay's, Heisler's and Climax's were for, plus they could handle track that would make a rod engine cry...

Rusty

Yes sir! Having spent a decent amount of time around 765 and other steamers, I think they are both acceptable.  I think Lionel does the better job with the dynamo and air pump sounds. MTH's air pump sounds are brought out a lot. On some of my MTH steamers, the air pump sounds do not stop and continue to play rapidly, as if the grease gun is being used perpetually. Kind of annoying. Both are not bad though. I give them a lot of credit for what they do. Very difficult to 100% perfect all of the many sounds that come from all different types of steam locos.

I am not saying they didn't.  All I am saying is that the beyer-garrett style could have flourished as well.  Especially since after the tight quarters work was completed they could also make respectable speed on mainlines.

As I recall, one of the three main locomotive builders had a license (don't remember which) to build Garret's in the US.

Obviously, there was no interest in either the US, Canada or Mexico.  If there was, there would have been some.

Rusty

During the abortive ACE development program, if I remember correctly, David ( Red Devil )Wardale as part of the design team advocated for this type due to claimed better adhesion arising from more weight over the drivers..Now that I am on the subject, how about an ACE from MTH?

I will admit that they were all oil fired that I have been around, except for my little 7.5in gauge Forney which is coal hand fired.  My favorite to fire was the 1/4 scale 16in gauge Atlantic.  Once I got the air/fuel mix right and it was warmed up, it would haul down the track with everything we could put behind it.

I'd love to see MTH make a Garratt. It's one of the very, very few locomotives that I would pre-order. They should make either the Australian 4-8-4+4-8-4 or the East African 4-8-2+2-8-4. The East African engine was the biggest and most powerful of all the Garratts, although it had two axles fewer than the Aussie engine and was meter gauge. The Aussie engine was standard gauge. Garratts were still in service in Southern Rhodesia when I visited there in the mid-70's, and I saw them at Victoria Falls. 

The Garratt I would really love to see in 0 scale, and will never be built, is the streamlined Garratt built for passenger service in French colonial Algeria. 

I have the ETS Garratt, which is regular 0 gauge but is based on a South African prototype in 3'6" gauge. As far as I know it's the only Garratt that's ever been available in 0 gauge 3-rail. Here's a photo.

Here's the big East African Garratt.

And the fantastic Algerian passenger Garratt. I've never found a good picture with the engine facing the camera, but it looks almost the same in either direction.

I remember well, the AD60 class Garretts running in New South Wales. My most vivid memory is of them pulling big coal trains but they were used as general freight locos as well. If MTH were to make one, following their practise of building in the scale of the country of origin, they would be built in 1/43 scale, and would be a huge hit here in Australia as well as anywhere else large articulated locos were popular. It would not look out of place next to 1/48 Big Boys, Alleghenys Challengers etc. I look forward to soon riding the newly restored 6029.

I have suggested that EAR Class 59 to Mike at York. Here is one in action

I like that AD60, too.

 Two weeks ago in Telford they had quite a few Garratt models for sale, from the smaller narrow-gauge ones to the large standard gauge versions. The DJH AD60 kit looked nice, but didn't fit the budget luckily   . 

 DJH AD60:

http://www.djhmodelloco.co.uk/...e.asp?productid=3776

Gladiator Models:

http://www.gladiatormodels.com...2_tank/?k=:::2717066

Backwood, K1 and NGG16

http://www.backwoodsminiatures.com/0n3rtr.htm

 Of course the NGG16 is the one you'll really want: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJ2AzfR8Vps

I had the chance to see them in action in South Africa in the early nineties, but did not have a camera with me. They are magnificent machines.

All the best,

Mike

I just remembered this site, not 0 but truly amazing.

http://www.garrattmaker.com

All the best,

Miketg