MTH, Are you serious with that LIRR Passenger Set?

"streamlined observation car and add ons with a full dome or a sleeper. seriously?"

 

.... and no dining car?  What were they thinking? 

 

How about the add-on sleeper

For that long over nite ride from Hicksville to Ronkonkoma!

I agree that it's not a reality, but I do like one because of the 'Great South Bay' plak on the side.  I have their 1st version of their diesel and the chatter is that is goes to Greenport. If I knew what the chatter was on the new diesel would be more helpful.

You can record your own chatter I believe.

 

I rather have a Private Car instead of being lumped in with the cattle back in coach.

Well maybe they thought they needed a sleeper from Montauk to Manhattan, or maybe from Greenport to Port Washington.

 

Actually in the 1960's and 70's the LIRR acquired a variety 2nd hand passenger cars that were used for it's "sunrise fleet" palor car service between NYC and Montauk.

 

These cars included observation cars and sleepers converted into drawing rooms.

 

This website gives you the details.

 

http://www.dominionrailvoyages.com/jhd/lirr/

 

By the 1980's the sunrise fleet was standardized into a series of 2-1 seating palor cars, and the remained in service through the summer of 1999.

 

Ken

Next York everyone should bring their passenger cars they don't run because of things like this and set them up to run on a layout.  Might be a pretty long train.

 

I'd donate my full-dome Seaboard car but I'll most likely never get to York

You guys are missing the point of the sleeper.  It's for all the breakdowns they have, you have hours to sit on the train with nothing to do!

http://www.dominionrailvoyages.../jhd/lirr/page1.html  Thats a list of all the cars  As usual the LIRR Steamer is a wealth of info  Thanks

I'm happy MTH even bothered with LIRR, but an A-B-A which I never saw during my life time on the LIRR and a sleepers and observation cars?  Really?  I think I remember from school growing up on Long Island that it's about 120 miles long and about 17 miles wide at it's furthest points... As you get to suffolk county the stops start to spread out or you can take an express, but give me a break.  A single A unit and high nose GP was very common in the 70's and 80's for the non-electrified service to Suffolk County, otherwise it was typical outer third rail service into the city from Nassau County.

The cars and engines look good and I guess one could always run just one A unit or one at each end and ditch the observation car.  I won't bother with a baggage car or a diner car...save your money there.

Ben

 I was on the 7:22 Penn station to Hicksville and I caught a few zzzz's .. on the LIRR every car is a sleeper

Steve

Every time I rode the LIRR I thought they were all bar cars

Even I have caught the  train out through  Long Island. I love the name Hicksville. Pretty odd stuff by MTH for sure.

LIRR Passenger Set?

Hers the problem – First of all, LIRR cars should be called Commuter cars.

 

I never understood the mentality of having to have (a set) of anything when it concerns passenger cars. Even streamliners.

I use to travel the Silver Star from NY to Fl. back in the day and many of the cars didn’t match. You would observe Stainless and painted cars with SBD, SCL, ACL & PRR all mixed together!

 

Companies balk at making the correct cars and tooling for the LIRR. other than Island Model Works - http://islandmodelworks.com/OLI.html

 

I never accepted those odd ball acquired filler cars as part of the LIRR main fleet.

The common grey/orange LIRR ”Commuter Fleet” of our day consisted of  

P54, MP-70, MP-72, MP-75 type coaches.

 

It would be easy, closer and a big seller for MTH to use the existing MU electric cars they already have.

I requested Atlas to paint their coaches several years ago, but who knows why they don’t pay attention to consumer requests?

 

The more serious LIRR fans aren’t fooled by more incorrect cookie cutter models. Additional sales capturing the serious market side would far exceed the company’s expectations and off set any new tooling cost required.

 

Being one of the largest and most common commuter lines in the country for decades, you would think someone would have modeled the cars correctly by now.

The set in the new catalog is a joke.

 

I would take some Atlas Trainman 60' cars painted in LIRR at this point. At least I can buy them individually.

 

And the MTH RK LIRR RS-1 I have on order was bumped back to October.

Hi Dave

 

Hicksville was named for Valentine Hicks who purchased land in that area in the 1830's. It became a major stop on the LIRR of the time in 1837 when the railroad reached that far east. Hicks developed a produce depot as it was in the center of the agricultural community. Cucumbers for the Heinz pickle company were first grown here. Hicks went on to become president of the railroad.

 

This area remained a farming community into the 1950's and 1960's when surburban expansion reached the area and started eastward. The Railroad splits just east of Hicksville with the mainline turning South and the Port Jefferson Branch turning North. There is a tower at that location which is known on the railroad as "Divide" . It was a wood tower at grade with a pocket for a protect locomotive and it was replaced with s brick structure on an elevated platform as part of a grade crossing elimination program in 1960's.  The present station is elevated and this was done in the early 1960's because of traffic growth on Highways 106 and 107 which the railroad crossed in the area. It is a very busy place today as both electric and diesel powered trains move through Hicksville from Ronkonkoma,Huntington/ Port Jefferson and some South Shore trains  as well as New York And Atlantic Freight operations.  

I have gotten to the point that close enough is fine for me. I am going to buy the 5 car set and probably not run the observation. I am also going to get the 2 pack with the extra coach and the baggage. Even though the baggage is not prototypical i kinda like it and think it will look good with the 5 coaches. 

Ever since I bought the GP-38's that Nassau Hobby put out last year I have been hoping for coaches to run behind them. I would rather have a set that is close enough than hold my breath that Atlas or Golden Gate Depot will produce a correct set. And if either of them do, I will probably end up buying those also.

Steamer,

Your wealth of knowledge both about the island and the railroad is greatly appreciated! Keep it coming!

Well never less the sets are doing well on pre-orders. I tell everyone to just leave the observation in the box for the day you sell the set. LOL! We Loooong Islanders get the short shaft all the time. We have our next item planned (Thank you everyone for making our GP-38 such a success!) and while I can't say yet, everyone will be pleased. Mike and I have disscussed proper passenger cars but we won't see much in new tooling for quite awhile. All in all this will still be a grat year for LIRR fans!

IMW short P-54 Ping Pongs are rough. Problem is, going that route is really uneconomical for a non OEM item. The extra labor and details required to complete the cars really drive up the cost. Still the best commuter car option we have.

 

Although I have a Lionel HW 70’ car, I don’t like that style of car for commuter service.

Never cared for 6 wheel trucks either.

Anything over 60’ looks silly on smaller O gauge layouts with 036, 042 curves.

 

Waiting on the MTH LIRR 60’ HW cars. We shall see what they actually look like.

I submitted the script and MP3’s for the RS-1 a few moths ago. Looks like additional delays.

VO-1000 is ready and due out May 10^th as the next LIRR item.

 

Lionel can make an almost exact C-420, why can’t we have the proper cars to run with it?

The front top decking / walkway area should be grey, not all orange.

 

So we have decals but incorrect OEM cars as it stands today.

Take your limited choice.

 

If you’re not into correctness, the 027 RMT’s paint and graphics actually look quite nice!

 

walkway will be grey on our C420

The most informative book of knowledge about the Long Island Rail Road is in Ron Ziel's "Steel Rails To The Sunrise."

 

By the way, I hope you LIRR fans bought the very unique and recent issue of the Long Island RR submarine car commemorating the US Navy's first submarine base and the USS Holland. The flat car is a transparent aquamarine color.

Bobby I'll add the submarine between the RPO and baggage car.

Can I still purchase the submarine car? If so please e-mail me at clsel@earthlink.net with instructions on who I should send a check and for how much.

 

Thanks,

 

Sunrise

Google RMLI and email them

Charlie these guys believe that Long Island is Pluto. I have a video of railroading in the New York area by Green Frog and it's a riot when the narrator butchers LI town names.

Good to know someone at Lionel listens to concerns. The C-420 is a beautiful model and deserves to contain correctness and Quality. Thanks for the update guys.

 I would also mention that the side horns stick out quite a bit, just where you would place a hand on the cab area. Someone re glued mine prior to receiving it. I would have Lionel attach the external horn bracket as a slide in piece. Or use fine screws to attach it to the cab.

Unless they modified them, it’s most likely too late now.

Mikes lack of aggressiveness has cost him sales in the past. Someone will take advantage of the LIRR market and make the correct cars one day. If he grew up on the Island, we would most likely have them all by now. Same applies with the SIRT/BMT cars.

MTH VO 1000 should be out next week. Although not most of us never seen the one and only LIRR Baldwin, I’ll take what I can get. I wouldn’t have chosen that LIRR diesel if I had a train company though.

 

Hope to see more items.

That was me listening, not Lionel. I instructed them to change the walkway on the NLOE version.