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Aloha,

My trains have been packed for three years and I just started the process of unpacking and inspection.  This set was packed in it's original box and stored inside the house away from any extreme temperature changes. I was quite surprised (and bummed out ) when I unpacked one of my favorites - MTH RailKing Alaska Rail ABA F3, 30-2715-1.  This is the third locomotive I've unpacked, two Lionel locos look and run fine, and my MTH E8 ABA Premier set looks good, no warping, but I have not run it yet. 

 

Sorry about posting these photos inline and as attachments, it's been about 3 years since my last posting!

 

Anyway if anyone has suggestions on what could have happened I like to hear it. 

 

And suggestions on finding replacement parts would be very welcome.


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B-Unit


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  • A-unit as it looked after sitting in original box for 3 years
  • I took the shell off the other A-unit and the back of chassis broke in two
  • B-Unit is not as bad
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Wow!  I wish I could offer a good explanation, but I can only guess that it has something to do with metal fatigue of some sort, perhaps related to stress applied by over-tightening of some mounted component.  I have that exact same set in a wall-mounted display case just a couple of feet from where I'm sitting, but it shows no evidence whatsoever of any frame distortion.

Originally Posted by chester7:

       

How does one prevent this from happening?  


       
You Can't! Sadly this has been going on for a long time. Even the diecast airplane forum and diecast car forum has spoke about this topic too. It's from the factory error in the process of how the materials were cast to start off with. From there time and age are against it. Some slow and some fast on the rotting.
Originally Posted by Kelunaboy:

Aloha,

My trains have been packed for three years and I just started the process of unpacking and inspection.  This set was packed in it's original box and stored inside the house away from any extreme temperature changes. I was quite surprised (and bummed out ) when I unpacked one of my favorites - MTH RailKing Alaska Rail ABA F3, 30-2715-1.  This is the third locomotive I've unpacked, two Lionel locos look and run fine, and my MTH E8 ABA Premier set looks good, no warping, but I have not run it yet. 

 

Sorry about posting these photos inline and as attachments, it's been about 3 years since my last posting!

 

Anyway if anyone has suggestions on what could have happened I like to hear it. 

 

And suggestions on finding replacement parts would be very welcome.


Front
Back
B-Unit


Most of what I own rests on shelving but I have a few new ones which I keep boxed up because of lack of space.  Every time I open one up to operate I bite my lip from anxiety because I'm fearful that something like this will greet me.  Not a very nice hello.  

Aloha and thanks OGR forum, I never heard of zinc rot and my search of posts using "warp" turned up nothing.  Using "zinc rot" worked and there is at least one mention from Feb 2013 related to passenger trucks.

 

Internet searches found many more references in the diecast model forums.  Still it seems rare enough that my fingers are crossed as I unpack the rest of my O-Gauge collection over the coming weeks.  Don't have much room for a layout but enough for a small loop of track. My plan is to inspect, test, and repack for my retirement in five years.  We are planning a move to the west coast, and a hobby room is on my bucket list.

 

I knew there would be some casualties in my collection, and I still expect to find a leaking battery or two since I didn't think to remove them when I had to quickly pack things up three years ago when a family illness required me to move.

 

I have contacted MTH, after unsuccessfully using their web site to look for parts. Frankly don't expect too much help from them - but I could be wrong.

Last edited by Kelunaboy

The issue is contamination of the ZAMAC used in the casting.  The usual culprit is lead contamination either from not so pure original ingots or contamination from reprocessing the flashing/sprue from previous casts.   If the contamination is severe enough the item will warp, blister, spall, etc. etc. over time.  There is nothing you can do to prevent this.  Worst case scenario is the item will literally decompose into dust.

Originally Posted by Kelunaboy:

       

Aloha and thanks OGR forum, I never heard of zinc rot and my search of posts using "warp" turned up nothing.  Using "zinc rot" worked and there is at least one mention from Feb 2013 related to passenger trucks.

 

Internet searches found many more references in the diecast model forums.  Still it seems rare enough that my fingers are crossed as I unpack the rest of my O-Gauge collection over the coming weeks.  Don't have much room for a layout but enough for a small loop of track. My plan is to inspect, test, and repack for my retirement in five years.  We are planning a move to the west coast, and a hobby room is on my bucket list.

 

What's good is that I knew there would be some casualties in my collection, I still expect to find a leaking battery since I didn't think to remove them when I had to quickly pack things up three years ago when a family illness required me to move.

 

I have contacted MTH, after unsuccessfully using their web site to look for parts. Frankly don't expect too much help from them - but I could be wrong.


       
contact Midge at extension 516 at MTH. Just leave her message with your engine item number and what happened and see if they have the frames still for them. You may have to get a raw casting without paint if it is available. Midge does return phone calls and may leave you a message as to how you will pay for it if the frames are available.
Originally Posted by chuck:

The issue is contamination of the ZAMAC used in the casting.  The usual culprit is lead contamination either from not so pure original ingots or contamination from reprocessing the flashing/sprue from previous casts.   If the contamination is severe enough the item will warp, blister, spall, etc. etc. over time.  There is nothing you can do to prevent this.  Worst case scenario is the item will literally decompose into dust.

Which is what happened to the K-Line heavyweight passenger car trucks IIRC. I bought a set new at a train show. Got home and found about 50% of the truck side frames crumbling to dust. To thier credit K-Line sent me new parts if I'd do the work myself....which I did. I ended up saving one truck that cracked later when K-Line was gone.....but it had one broken place.

Great info, glad it wasn't something I did.  I did contact Midge at MTH by phone and email, we'll see what happens, and I'll do a follow up post if MTH is helpful.  My backup plan is finding a used set, but hey I have five years!   (And thanks for the offer Bob, it helps to know that some sets use a sheet metal chassis)

 

Alan

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