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Hey Gang,

 

A few years ago, I purchased a Lionel F3 2353 AA set and the matching B unit at an antique shop here in town. The set was in rough condition, but the price was right. I knew it was going to need some TLC and placed the set away until I could focus on it. Yesterday, I began a tear down of the units. The shape of the units was worse than I had anticipated. I will give the powered unit some credit. It growled, sparked, released some of that sweet ozone perfume, and pulled a consist like a champ.

 

At this point I'm contemplating a new paint scheme. The paint on the shells was faded and the decals had nearly all chipped off. In order to properly paint the Santa Fe warbonnet, I would either have to find the masks (I believe there were 3 or 4) or pay someone to repaint the shells. I did come across WBB F3 shells. Does anyone know if they are a direct replacement for the PW Lionel shells?

 

Here's my order of business:

  1. Trucks/Wheels
  2. Motor Cleaning/Assembly
  3. Frames
  4. Body Shells

 

So on the first order of business, the truck assemblies/wheelsets. Here are two pictures of what I am dealing with:

 

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I'll have to pull the wheels to clean up the axels. I plan to wash down the parts with some naval jelly to get rid of the rust and corrosion. I was also thinking of spraying the parts lightly with Rust-Oleum to prevent future rusting problems. Anyone have any thoughts on the cleaning?

 

Before I go shopping online, does anyone have a wheel puller that they would loan out for a week?

 

Well, this is pretty much all I have for now. I'll keep you guys posted as work progresses.

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I've never had much luck the time or two I've used a (Lionel) wheel puller, esp. on old stuff. Doesn't take much before the flanges either on the wheels or puller bend and/or break.

 

Wrap the truck in a towel, place it between your knees, and knock the axle out with a hammer and punch. To get a wheel on, use a bench top vice, use a towel or the like.




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Wrap the truck in a towel, place it between your knees, and knock the axle out with a hammer and punch. To get a wheel on, use a bench top vice, use a towel or the like.




 

Some Lionel axle bearing are not flanged. (The truck pictured many not even have bearings). If the truck has unflanged bearing, using a punch as described above may push the bearing in, allowing the wheel to run against the chassis (or truck block). Not a big deal, just be certain to check before re-assembly.

 

How square can you get your wheels using a vice? I was never happy with the way mine turned out. That was a big part of the reason I purchased an arbor press.

 In order to properly paint the Santa Fe warbonnet, I would either have to find the masks (I believe there were 3 or 4) or pay someone to repaint the shells.

 

If you are going to restore them, send them to LEN CARPARELLI- you will NOT be sorry.

http://www.llmodeltrain.com/

 

The shells will take some time to do so I would contact him and do your research. When you send out the shells, you can continue with the frame and motor restoration.

 

I did come across WBB F3 shells. Does anyone know if they are a direct replacement for the PW Lionel shells?

 

NO they will not due to the attachment of the shells to the frame. WBB is a different ball game unless you are willing to modify the Lionel frames to fit the WBB's shells.

I don't think the trucks pictured are that bad. Let them soak in WD-40 or another agent while you work on the rest of your project. Seems you have several weeks at least ahead of you. Then clean them up with a Dremel. Get an assortment of different shaped Dremel brushes so you can reach down deep in the axle wells and clean the best you can. They are never going to be pretty.

If they were mine I would devote an hour and then put them back in service. Since you have time you can extend the soaking process.

I've done quite a few rifle rebuilds and for rust removal I still go back to a penetrating oil and brass brushes and scrapers.  Kano Labs Kroil is one of my go-to products.  I use a Dremel, too, with brass brushes, or stainless for the heavy stuff.

 

I've never had good luck with Naval Jelly.  And it removes bluing.

 

Good luck.  I'm glad you're motor still has life!

Thanks for the reply guys!!!
 
 
Originally Posted by prrhorseshoecurve: 

I did come across WBB F3 shells. Does anyone know if they are a direct replacement for the PW Lionel shells?

 

NO they will not due to the attachment of the shells to the frame. WBB is a different ball game unless you are willing to modify the Lionel frames to fit the WBB's shells.

 

Could you elaborate on the modifications needed?

 

 

Originally Posted by C W Burfle:

Rust-Oleum to prevent rust? - I'd suggest just using a light coat of metal protectant. I like CRC -26

 

As I understand the product, it inhibits new rust from forming. The can recommends a primer layer, so I'll look at other options such as the one you suggested.

 

 

Originally Posted by stew1957:

I am very close to you in Delaware. If you go the route of pulling the wheels I have the press and tools. I have glass beaded trucks to remove ugliness after wheels and axles have been removed. For me I enjoy restoring neglected units to their former glory Regardless of time invested.

 

Stew, I may be calling upon you in a week, lol. I'm going to see what I can clean up without removing the wheels, but a few of the axels are deep and I don't know how deep my dremel will reach.

Originally Posted by CK:

I've done quite a few rifle rebuilds and for rust removal I still go back to a penetrating oil and brass brushes and scrapers.

 

I've never had good luck with Naval Jelly.  And it removes bluing.

 

I gave the trucks a naval jelly bath. I got a large amount of corrosion and rust knocked off the trucks. I used a toothbrush to apply the naval jelly. After giving the naval jelly 10 minutes, I rinsed the trucks in water one at a time and used a blow dryer to get them completely dry. There was a white substance left behind. Maybe left over naval jelly. I am using a dremel and a toothbrush to remove it. Here's a picture:

 

 

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Any spots that didn't get cleaned I'll go after with oil now.

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I stopped using brass brushes because I found that they imparted a brass color to the parts. I assume that some of the brass was depositing on the part being cleaned.

 

I guess I was doing something wrong?

I use them mostly for cleaning the rails on 022 and 711 switches. I find the brass color disappears after a short time. The brass brushes do a nice job on roller pick ups and sintered wheels too without giving them that overly polished look.

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