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I just kept thinking about this in my head and again today after running some locomotives on my layout I do have favorite units and they are not the most expensive, well for me they were but not in comparison to the number of choices in available in Lionel Legacy locomotives. So, my criteria here is kind of my own budget being a target price of $500-$600 for a Legacy Locomotive, looks good, good value features, and runs without too many problems. I have operated some friends units while teaching them how to use their Legacy units, done lots of shopping, and played a lot with mine. So, besides price point, looks, value, features, is also curve radius versus values/appeal of the Legacy locomotive. I would like to own a Centipede for instance, but the price point really exceeds my personal criteria along with my layout is Fastrack with the largest diameter being O48. Should there be a locomotive that does not fit this radius then the other factors would have to convince me that being able to only run on another layout is still worth the price of admission. Okay, so here goes my personal list for 2011 and 2012:

1. The 2012 scale GP-35 Lionel Locomotives. I ended up with 2 of these beauties after getting another defective SD70ACe (starts with no motors in the trucks and went downhill from there). Looks, price, value, wow factor, fun, feeling like I got my money's worth are all there. I think that Lionel's new Legacy Sequence control along with Legacy 1.51 and using all horns on in a multiple unit train is just plain amazing. I have gotten friends that do not smile to smile when they run these. Fit, finish, pulling power is amazing. Colors and details are consistent and yet these locomotives really look good with anything that I pull. Sound quality is excellent. The paint on the UP unit matches other units well and from my amateur view the yellow is a perfect match. The Southern Pacific gray and red look good. I would suggest these units first for anyone that runs O48 or smaller layouts.

2. Lionel Lindbergh (there are other road names) Atlantic Legacy Steam Locomotive. I really like the looks of a good steamer and while I love operating a Bog Boy on my small layout it is pricey and it is big while the Atlantic unit fits well and has great features. While this locomotive is a little above my target price range the fit, finish, features, and overall running quality really make this one to consider. The quilling steam whistle is just plain fun and the synchronized smoke from the stack is just right. Great sounds and lighting. This locomotive does not have sequence control so that puts it in the number 2 spot. Great looker and runner and the features such as the steam whistle are only found on a few more expensive Legacy locomotives.

3. Lionel DD35a Legacy Locomotives. Price per pound and size on these would almost be enough to say yes but there is much more. Details are good, not great, but are good enough to make these units blend in with the GP-35 units and look good. I love smoke and these units have two smoke units each which really fogs up the train room and makes a great site to enjoy as the come through the curve. Fit and finish is good. These units also have the Legacy sequence control which again I think needs to be advertised more. Throttle up and tower com sounds, bells sound, horns sounds, and you are rolling with the same along with squealing brakes when stopping. Very nice. Sound quality is good but not as loud at the GP35 units. These are really almost too long but the value to the money and how well they run puts them at number 3 on my list.

What are yours? I think that we need to tell Lionel and others what really works, what we like, and why so instead of making future "close-out" products we can get products that meet price versus features where we the consumer feels like we go our money's worth.  

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I don't know from what year but my Lionmaster PRR Legacy T1, 11207, rarely leaves my layout.

 

Awsome sounds, steam whistle 'smoke', great looking with selective compression allowing it to run on 031 curves and switches.

 

There are so many layouts where 031 is the maximum curvature, Lionel needs to focus on more 031 engines with Legacy or even Vision features, and Pennsy of course.

Well, I run only conventional, and I buy in all price ranges, but my favorites among recent Lionel are:

Legacy ATSF Northern (3759 and 3751)

Legacy Mallet

Legacy U30C

Atlantic (Legacy or conventional it does not matter to me - both are nice)

I would add to that list the MTH 241.A French steamer, and the WBB Baldwin ten wheeler, to round out the locos that were my favorites in the last yea, regardless of company.

I think the best value I have is my 0-8-0 Lionel and Western Legacy locomotive that I purchased for only $249 brand new.  I have since repainted it for my own RR.

 

Smokes very well, great sounds and great whistle.  Not many frills but does an excellent job switching my layout.  Only 1 real issue I have is when it backs though a switch the tender goes in the correct direction and the loco always jumps the frogs and heads the other way.  

Jeff I couldn't agree more about the Lindbergh engine. I have it also and think it is by far the best deal I have ever gotten on a locomotive. The engine cost me 595 down from 699 and has whistle steam. 

 

Lionel now charges over a grand for a steamer without any vision features so I think we both got a steal. 

 

Ignore the date on the picture.

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I have to say that, although it exceeds the original cost criteria, the Milwaukee Road S3 Northern was the bargain of the bunch. Detail at the level of a lot of brass engines, great sound, and an MSRP of $995 (many of us paid under 900) - in today's market, that's hard to beat. (Notice I didn't mention the chronically malfunctioning cylinder steam effect or the botched red Mars light - but compared to the overall deal, those are pretty minor bugs.)

Lindbergh Atlantic PRR 460. Best buy for sure. Second is RS11, under $400 and has sequence control. Both get plenty of track time and after an initial glitch or two have been rock solid. I like the Atlantic so much I would buy another just to have as a backup. Now that the Track mobiles are dropping in price they are a lot of fun in the yard and very reliable.  

Here are my votes...

 

As far as "street price" upon initial delivery, the Milwaukee Road S-3 has gotta be right up there on anyone's short list.  At $899 MSRP with great detail and enhanced steam effects, we're likely never gonna see those features again for quite some time on a non-VisionLine steamer.

 

As far as blow-outs go, I couldn't resist a $699 EM-1 in the Northern Pacific livery from Charlie Ro... or the $725 Santa Fe Northerns.  Both are excellent runners that include the whistle-steam feature.

 

And one final mention -- although I didn't purchase it -- was the $1299 Pennsy single-stripe VisionLine Centipede... again from Charlie Ro.  So far as I recall, it's the only VL locomotive to be blown out at that deep a discount.  (The only other VL loco that I recall going on sale was the grey gunmetal Hudson.)

 

David

Originally Posted by Jeff Metz:

Lindbergh Atlantic PRR 460. Best buy for sure. 

Agreed. Here is mine purchased for $500 (spotted on Norm C's old layout).

 

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A few 'runner ups' are the Vision Line UP Genset and the second production run of the new Lionel AF SD70Ace's (LCS capable). Both of which were in or under the $500 - $600 street price range during their introduction, possess special features, make visual sense on smaller layouts, and can negotiate curves on the tighter side.

 

Bob

 

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I'm with Hatch and Rocky on the Milwaukee Road S-3. I almost passed on it because I already had a brass one, but I am sure glad I got it! I paid a pre-order price under $900 and I think that was the deal of the year. That and a string of Weaver's ribside Milwaukee boxcars makes the core of a great steam freight train. 

 

Another great deal was Charles Ro's blowout on the USRA Mikado built on the old K-Line tooling. I forget what I paid for that one but it was a great deal even after I had to spend 35 bucks to send it to Lionel for warranty repair of the smoke unit. That engine has really nice sound, better even than the S-3. 

 

The worst value on a Legacy engine has to be the Milwaukee Road Bi-Polar. Nice enough engine, but badly overpriced and they were already being blown out the week my pre-order arrived. 

Originally Posted by Hot Water:

Don't remember when the UP FEF-3 models came out, but the black legacy model of 844 as she was in regular service from the mid-1950s is dead-nuts on! The detailing AND sound is EXCELLENT, and is also one of the very best running steam locomotive models I have.

Looks like the thread has been resurrected....and I couldn't agree with Hot Water more.  Lionel's UP 844 in Black is an absolutely top-notch model that plays second fiddle to no one.  (2008/2009 catalog, BTW.)

Originally Posted by c.sam:

We have several Legacy steamers and all are nice. Among the diesels I would say my favorite is the brutish but beautiful AT&SF AC6000. Such a massive beast...

 

 

Yea the santa fe ac6000.. I was late to that one too . I been tring to find one for a decent price.. Bang vs buck was my santa fe 3759 for 750 bucks.. With out a doubt the s3 was probley the best deal considering what there worth atm..

Originally Posted by c.sam:

We have several Legacy steamers and all are nice. Among the diesels I would say my favorite is the brutish but beautiful AT&SF AC6000. Such a massive beast...

I agree 100%.  Beautifully detailed, intricate paint graphics, wonderful sounds, amazing power and smooth as silk operation.  

I have the diecast ES44 as well as the GP30 & the new over hyped scantly detailed GP35.  Never mind the fantasy paint on this beauty, none of those mentioned come as close to hitting a perfect score on all those points as this rarely talked about jewel.

Joe

Originally Posted by BReece:

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I assume  you are talking about the gray VL Hudson. I would like to have one and look all the time for one that is a BARGIN? The grey did not sell as well as the black but still they are holding their value.

 

Brent

I believe he is referring to the grey UP FEF 844 and I'll echo the sentiments on this piece.

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