N&W Caboose

Conductor Earl posted:

N&W caboose with the large NW logo

Do you mean the big "NW" in white or the "moon logo" with the N&W sandwiched between 2 half circles?  MTH has the 20-91027 steel side cab with the moon logo and the 20-9103 EV has a smaller moon.  The aforementioned Lionel 6-6900 EV also has the moon.  The Lionel 6-83361 Northeast style hack has just the big NW letters.  The Atlas O 557780 with the big NW is the most accurate for what an N&W cab looked like.

Earl, just for the record I do not believe N&W rostered any extended vision cabs.  That is if you are looking for any prototypical.

Ron

Thanks everyone.  I wasn't really sure about the extended vision version either. I thought perhaps I saw one in an old video but your response reminds me that not all so-called memories are reliable........!  I'll look into the Atlas with the BIG NW. Since writing I found a couple of prototype photos of the big letter logo on cabs in the Northeast;  one passing through my home town. The attached photo shows an EL train pulled by a couple of SD45s  passing the Elmhurst PA reservoir sometime in the 70s.   Today GVT trains and Steamtown excursions pass this same location.

Earl  

Penny,

I checked out the Atlas hack that you suggested. Its just what I'm looking for.  Thanks.

Thanks for posting that picture.  I picked up an inexpensive Railking to go with my TMCC Lionmaster Class A, but couldn't find anything that showed N&W ever had anything similar. Your pic is close enough. 

Earl, atlas makes or made great representations of the N&W C31 cab.  These were made for N&W from 12/68 through 3/70.  After the blue they were painted red with the large "NW" logo of the time

Ron

This is THE place to go for researching N & W equipment: https://www.nwhs.org/archivesd...+Rwy&Cat=Caboose.  They didn't have any EV's as near as I can tell.  Class CF is the quintessential steam era N&W crummy.

Becky

I got my Lionmaster Class A and might get a t roofed steel from the Railking Lines, is that the right caboose?

SDIV Tim posted:

I got my Lionmaster Class A and might get a t roofed steel from the Railking Lines, is that the right caboose?

 In a word, nope. 

If you really want a real N&W Caboose, here's your ticket. I have one and it is absolutely beautiful. This is one of five that exist. I would not fool around too long if I were you....

I have the N&W Lionmaster N&W A as well. I wouldn't hesitate to run this behind any of my N&W steamers. Before you say "expensive" consider that this is scratch built, and take a look at what you're paying for command control locomotives. IMHO, this is a bargain.

N&W Caboose

There are a few brass ones around. Expensive, rare as hen's teeth, and no where near as nice as this one. Lionel, MTH, Atlas et al just slap a paint job and some stickers on another road's caboose. None are really a proper N&W Cab.

Conductor Earl posted:

Thanks everyone.  I wasn't really sure about the extended vision version either. I thought perhaps I saw one in an old video but your response reminds me that not all so-called memories are reliable........!  I'll look into the Atlas with the BIG NW. Since writing I found a couple of prototype photos of the big letter logo on cabs in the Northeast;  one passing through my home town. The attached photo shows an EL train pulled by a couple of SD45s  passing the Elmhurst PA reservoir sometime in the 70s.   Today GVT trains and Steamtown excursions pass this same location.

Earl  

Earl, your photo is a N&W class C17 cab.  These were actually Wabash RR cabooses that came to N&W in the 1964 merger into the N&W.  MTH does make both Rail King and Premier versions that are semi reasonable representations of the C17.  But one thing to be correctly lettered the "NW" would be centered under the copula NOT centered on the body.  The "NW" monogram started in 1971.

I guess the question is what era are you modeling?

Ron

pennytrains posted:

This is THE place to go for researching N & W equipment: https://www.nwhs.org/archivesd...+Rwy&Cat=Caboose.  They didn't have any EV's as near as I can tell.  Class CF is the quintessential steam era N&W crummy.

Becky

Becky, the book "Cabooses of the Norfolk And Western" by Bowers and Brewer is a very comprehensive document on N&W cabs.  It includes paint and lettering schemes.

You are correct about the CF but also include the CG and CH these two being steel versions of the CF.

Ron

What would be the most prototypical N&W caboose for Steam Era behind a Y6b coal train? I’m having trouble finding one.

LionelLegend posted:

What would be the most prototypical N&W caboose for Steam Era behind a Y6b coal train? I’m having trouble finding one.

Prototypically, the Weaver N&W CG/CF cabs or the Division Point CG/CF cabs, both being brass. Brother Love made some very nice one-offs in plastic and Kohs made some two rail high end brass cabs. Anything else is pure fantasy!
Depending on how accurate you can live with, in a pinch, you could slide by with a Weaver Ultra Line Northeastern cab, numbers and windows are wrong. But, what's a soul to do?

At one time I had high hopes for Atlas and the mentioned C31 for the diesel era. I was personally assured by Atlas that they were doing it right. The outcome was very disappointing!

Kohs was still showing their N&W Caboose @York this past October. You can also check out this site. A correct N&W caboose is expensive. Since the N&W caboose was unique to the N&W, there's little chance of MTH/Lionel/Atlas making one. Dies for a one-off would be cost prohibitive.

http://alleghenyscale.com/O%20...d%20Cabin%20Cars.htm

One thing to keep in mind is that the Koh's and maybe the Division Point models are questionable to operate with 3 rail tall flange wheel sets.

I repainted a MTH caboose (and a Weaver RS3) not long ago in the N&W Pevler blue scheme:

Not sure what model caboose that is though and if my memory is good I think I had a hard time finding decals for it, not sure.

Wasn't that called the "Hamburger" logo???

Here's some real images:

Bob Delbridge posted:

I repainted a MTH caboose (and a Weaver RS3) not long ago in the N&W Pevler blue scheme:

Not sure what model caboose that is though and if my memory is good I think I had a hard time finding decals for it, not sure.

Wasn't that called the "Hamburger" logo???

Here's some real images:

As I think already pointed out the "hamburger" logo did not appear until 1963 and blue paint until 1966.  Be then all steam was clod most already scrapped.

Ron

I also want the caboose to be pretty easy to find.  I don’t really want to wait for like a year until one comes up for sale. Also I came across this Lionel northeast style caboose. Is this design accurate besides the big NW lettering?

This is an Atlas O N&W Steam era Caboose that I run with my y6b. I think it may be what you are looking for.

Here are some links to the Koh's Models N&W steam era caboose project from a few years back.

http://www.kohs.com/Caboose_Pa...s/NW_Cabs_Intro.html

http://www.kohs.com/Caboose_Pa...NW_Cab_Versions.html

http://www.kohs.com/Caboose_Pa.../NW_Cabs_Update.html

I'm not an N&W expert, but I believe pretty much all N&W steam era cabooses looked like these except of course the hamburger logo was from the early diesel era.

Ken

FMC posted:

This is an Atlas O N&W Steam era Caboose that I run with my y6b. I think it may be what you are looking for.

The Block "NW" scheme started in 1971 through 1981.

Simply put the late steam era N&W "cabin" cars wound be a CF's, CG's, CH's,or C2's.  The atlas cabins/cabooses are C31's starting late 1968 and C32's starting Spring 1974.

But always remember it is your toy trains and you can run anything you want!

pic of my CH

and my CF.

FMC posted:

This is an Atlas O N&W Steam era Caboose that I run with my y6b. I think it may be what you are looking for.

Sorry to say, that is NOT an N&W steam era caboose!

It is something the N&W inherited from another road after the merger.
BTW, I have ridden on one of those cabs and I would never get on one again! They were an unsafe POS!!!

Big Jim posted:

FMC posted:

This is an Atlas O N&W Steam era Caboose that I run with my y6b. I think it may be what you are looking for.

Sorry to say, that is NOT an N&W steam era caboose!

It is something the N&W inherited from another road after the merger.
BTW, I have ridden on one of those cabs and I would never get on one again! They were an unsafe POS!!!

That's interesting as the box is marked steam era. Thanks for the info.

Didn’t Quality Craft or Ambroid make a craftsman kit for a wooden N&W caboose years ago? Finding one might be a challenge, but there’s a lot of untouched kits out there still in closets. You might find someone with a copy of the plans if you’re inclined to scratchbuild one.

Bill in FtL

FMC posted:

That's interesting as the box is marked steam era. Thanks for the info.

It very well may be a steam era caboose. And, it may be an N&W caboose. However, like I said before, it is not a caboose that was used by the N&W during the steam era.

Bill Nielsen posted:

Didn’t Quality Craft or Ambroid make a craftsman kit for a wooden N&W caboose years ago? Finding one might be a challenge, but there’s a lot of untouched kits out there still in closets. You might find someone with a copy of the plans if you’re inclined to scratchbuild one.

Bill in FtL

Yes, they did and I have a couple.

Allegheny Scale Models has several brass N&W cabooses listed, probably require paint and lettering.

I seem to remember Malcolm Byrd was scratch building quite a few N&W cabeese a while back.

Maybe you could track down one of those?

Fred

I have this one for sale, $35 plus postage. It is an MTH Premier 20-9103L.

Bobby Ogage posted:

I have this one for sale, $35 plus postage. It is an MTH Premier 20-9103L.

Great googly-moogly, look at the trucks on that thing!!! What are they...vintage eighteen hundred something?

For anyone who may be interested, I am seeing that the N&WHS has a limited supply of the book "Cabooses of the Norfolk And Western". Scroll down to page four of the link.

Google Lionel 6-83361 

I’m including my two N&W cabooses here just for discussion – neither for sale. The center-cupola caboose is brass, made in China, purchased around 2000. The offset-cupola caboose is by MTH.

MELGAR

Three Weaver brass

The Hamburger isn't accurate for Steam Era

One Brother Love

Note the window configuration(s). Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but Lionel/MTH/Atlas/WbB/Weaver never produced a prototypical N&W Steam era caboose.

Conductor Earl posted:

 I found a couple of prototype photos of the big letter logo on cabs in the Northeast;  one passing through my home town. The attached photo shows an EL train pulled by a couple of SD45s  passing the Elmhurst PA reservoir sometime in the 70s.  

I believe that's an ex-Wabash caboose. You will find Diesel era repaints from Virginian, Wabash, and Nickel Plate.

Gilly@N&W posted:

 

Note the window configuration(s). Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but Lionel/MTH/Atlas/WbB/Weaver never produced a prototypical N&W Steam era caboose.

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but Lionel/MTH/Atlas/WbB/Weaver never produced a [Plastic] prototypical N&W Steam era caboose.

Big Jim posted:

Weaver never produced a [Plastic] prototypical N&W Steam era caboose.

You are correct. That's what I meant. Need to pay more attention if I post at 5:00 AM. OOps…..