If you need any photos of N&W Y6a 2156, you better get a move on. It has been reported by TRAINS that it will be heading back west!
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Hopefully she goes back the same route she took getting there.. was pretty awesome to see it come through Fort Wayne.
I had heard that the frame on the 2156 was cracked. Was that bogus info, or has it been repaired? Or, does it not matter for the ferry move to St Louis?
There were two Y6's at Roanoke Scrap Iron and Metal, until 1976 (I think). Sad to think they survived that long only to get torched.
It's cracked, anyone can see it. I was hoping it wasn't safe to move so it could stay in Roanoke. A friend of mine says it has already been moved from the museum.
Scott Smith
Good, bring it home.
I wonder if TRAINS magazine will offer to collect money to keep the 2156 in Roanoke? They did it for the 1309! And, pray tell, where is the NWHS in all of this?
Did anyone consult them about support?
@paperboys posted:I wonder if TRAINS magazine will offer to collect money to keep the 2156 in Roanoke? They did it for the 1309! And, pray tell, where is the NWHS in all of this?
Did anyone consult them about support?
The article states VTM made a substantial offer to keep 2156 in Roanoke, but they couldn't come to an agreement.
There's probably more than dollars involved here.
Rusty
You know, I get what your are saying paperboy, but the reality is that the Museum of Transport in St. Louis is a pretty nice museum. Frankly, if some group in Roanoke wanted it, they should have had the foresight to make it happen. I have no history or back story on the why or how St. Louis got the engine, but for what ever reason it is there and we should be happy.
Actually, having foreign road names in a collection is probably a good thing for any museum as it opens up interest beyond the local geographical community - no numbers, my opinion.
Make the trip to St. Louis if you have not already, you will probably like what you see.
Charlie
@paperboys posted:I wonder if TRAINS magazine will offer to collect money to keep the 2156 in Roanoke? They did it for the 1309! And, pray tell, where is the NWHS in all of this?
Did anyone consult them about support?
Since it is the property of the museum in St. Louis, what would collecting money have to do with anything?
Trains Magazine did assist in collecting money for the restoration/rebuild of C&O 1309, since it already belonged to the Western Maryland Scenic Railroad by then. Quite a different situation than the N&W Y6a 2156, which does NOT belong to the museum in Roanoke. It has been "on loan" from the museum in St. Louis.
Plus, the act of "de-accession" is usually a complicated one for museums. Nobody can just snap their fingers and sell an artifact off. There is a process each museum has and it can become ugly at times.
Rusty
The National Museum of Transport in St. Louis doesn't focus on local or even regional roads. It has a cross-section of equipment from around the country and beyond. While it does not have the prettiest collection, it does have one of the most varied and one of the largest collections: NYC, PRR, CRIP, SP, ATSF, UP, MP, SLSF, SRR, GN, NKP, N&W, TRRA, IC, etc., etc., even mining equipment and the Panama Canal RR. Then, there's the streetcars, the automobiles & trucks & busses, the aircraft, the boats, the steam traction. And the MoPac Historical Society's archives are there along with other research material. 2156 has a good home.
@Charlie posted:You know, I get what your are saying paperboy, but the reality is that the Museum of Transport in St. Louis is a pretty nice museum. Frankly, if some group in Roanoke wanted it, they should have had the foresight to make it happen. I have no history or back story on the why or how St. Louis got the engine, but for what ever reason it is there and we should be happy.
Actually, having foreign road names in a collection is probably a good thing for any museum as it opens up interest beyond the local geographical community - no numbers, my opinion.
Make the trip to St. Louis if you have not already, you will probably like what you see.
Charlie
N&W donated it to St. Louis years ago and it caused a big stir. There were bumper stickers out that said "Free the Y".
And when the locomotive was donated, there MIGHT BE a clause which states the locomotive had to stay in St. Louis except for short periods of time.
@scott.smith posted:N&W donated it to St. Louis years ago and it caused a big stir. There were bumper stickers out that said "Free the Y".
Well, Spencer didn't become a museum until 1977.
2159 was donated to the NMOT in 1959. St. Louis was probably one of the few places that could take the 2159 when it became available for donation. I(E)RM was still in a crowded foundry backlot on Chicago's north side back then and concentrated only on electric traction. About the only other place in 1959 that could take the 2159 other than a scrap yard would've been Steamtown or NRM in Green Bay.
Rusty
Don't believe either Steamtown or the National Railroad Museum in Green Bay were in existance at the time of Y6 donation in 1959. Fortunately it was available in the early to mid-50's, as a number of priceless donations were made, including a C&NW 4-4-2, Wabash 2-6-0 #573 (one of my favorites) and the later restored to operation Frisco 4-8-2 #1522.
@mark s posted:Don't believe either Steamtown or the National Railroad Museum in Green Bay were in existance at the time of Y6 donation in 1959. Fortunately it was available in the early to mid-50's, as a number of priceless donations were made, including a C&NW 4-4-2, Wabash 2-6-0 #573 (one of my favorites) and the later restored to operation Frisco 4-8-2 #1522.
The Green Bay Museum was founded in 1956, officially recognized by a joint resolution of Congress as the National Railroad Museum in 1958.
I stand corrected on Steamtown, while Nelson Blount began his collecting in 1956, Steamtown in Bellows Falls, VT didn't happen until 1960.
Rusty
.......and I stand corrected on the NRM in Green Bay. Rode an excursion on the C&NW from Chicago to GB in 1962, and at that time all their significant static display locomotives were on the grounds, and received in 1960+. They had a LS&I 2-8-0 pulling a passenger train around the grounds. Additionally a Big Boy, a DM&IR 2-10-2, I seem to recall a Santa Fe 2-10-4 and a Korean 2-8-0. Do not recall today's roster of DUT 0-6-0, Frisco 4-8-4. Perhaps thay swapped in/out some equipment.
@mark s posted:.......and I stand corrected on the NRM in Green Bay. Rode an excursion on the C&NW from Chicago to GB in 1962, and at that time all their significant static display locomotives were on the grounds, and received in 1960+. They had a LS&I 2-8-0 pulling a passenger train around the grounds. Additionally a Big Boy, a DM&IR 2-10-2, I seem to recall a Santa Fe 2-10-4 and a Korean 2-8-0. Do not recall today's roster of DUT 0-6-0, Frisco 4-8-4. Perhaps thay swapped in/out some equipment.
When I was there in the late-60's, they were chugging around with an 0-4-0T.
Don't remember a Frisco 4-8-4, but Milwaukee Road 261 used to live there, right next to the Santa Fe 2-10-4.
Rusty
The NRM lists a Frisco 4-8-4 as part of their collection. Presume they know what they have (? !)
Wonder if the ATSF 2-10-4 is still there, but unlisted? If not, wonder where it is?
@mark s posted:The NRM lists a Frisco 4-8-4 as part of their collection. Presume they know what they have (? !)
Wonder if the ATSF 2-10-4 is still there, but unlisted? If not, wonder where it is?
Only four Frisco 4-8-4's were preserved: 4500 is in Tulsa, Oklahoma; 4501 in Frisco, Texas; 4516 in Sedalia, Missouri and 4524 in Springfield, Missouri. The only move of a Frisco 4-8-4 was of the 4501 from Dallas to Frisco Texas in 2017. The other three have stayed put. If NRM is listing one, it's in error.
As far as the AT&SF 2-10-4 5017 goes, if it was removed from the collection and relocated or scrapped, it wouldn't have gone unnoticed. Even in pre-internet times.
I'd be willing to bet someone typed in SLSF instead of ATSF...
Rusty
