NEW Big Boy ON ITS WAY, PLEASE don't be broken.

@42trainman posted:

It's Happening !!!   Legacy Station charged my CC Saturday, and it shipped today for Wednesday arrival.   It's my New Vision Big Boy 4014 and I'm nervous as ****, as the last 3 Lionel engines I bought (1 vision, 2 legacy) all had big  issues.   Hoping this one will finally be OK.  Fingers Crossed !!!  Please please don't let me down Lionel.   Wishing all of you that will be receiving yours this week and next the best of luck.

Good Luck!  I saw on a Facebook post that someone got their Big Boy and the manual referenced wheelslip, but he did not have a Legacy system to test it.  Let us know if that’s true or just a fake post on Facebook!

@Sean's Train Depot posted:

Good Luck!  I saw on a Facebook post that someone got their Big Boy and the manual referenced wheelslip, but he did not have a Legacy system to test it.  Let us know if that’s true or just a fake post on Facebook!

The last legacy run of them had it. 2031700 https://www.lionelsupport.com/...1250LegacyBigBoy.pdf

page13

Wheel Slip features
To create the effect of a locomotive losing traction, your Legacy Steam Locomotive has a simulated slip feature which simultaneously produces smoke, sound, and motion. During wheel slip, the stack smokes as chuffing sounds rapidly increase, then decrease in speed and labor. This feature can be triggered when the locomotive motion starts.

Wheel slip can be triggered in two ways:
Trigger the wheel slip effect using the Boost key:
1. On a CAB1 remote press the H button, or on a CAB2 remote press the M or H buttons.
2. With the locomotive stopped, apply the boost key.
3. Adjust the throttle to maintain motion, as releasing the boost key stops the locomotive.
OR
Trigger the wheel slip effect using the Train Brake & Throttle (CAB2 only):
1. With the locomotive stopped or in motion, fully apply the train brake.
2. Turn or confirm the throttle position so the target speed is greater than zero.
3. Release the Train Brake slider by moving it upwards.

So, should be able to do with even just the older CAB1.

@Vernon Barry posted:

The last legacy run of them had it. 2031700 https://www.lionelsupport.com/...1250LegacyBigBoy.pdf

page13

Wheel Slip features
To create the effect of a locomotive losing traction, your Legacy Steam Locomotive has a simulated slip feature which simultaneously produces smoke, sound, and motion. During wheel slip, the stack smokes as chuffing sounds rapidly increase, then decrease in speed and labor. This feature can be triggered when the locomotive motion starts.

Wheel slip can be triggered in two ways:
Trigger the wheel slip effect using the Boost key:
1. On a CAB1 remote press the H button, or on a CAB2 remote press the M or H buttons.
2. With the locomotive stopped, apply the boost key.
3. Adjust the throttle to maintain motion, as releasing the boost key stops the locomotive.
OR
Trigger the wheel slip effect using the Train Brake & Throttle (CAB2 only):
1. With the locomotive stopped or in motion, fully apply the train brake.
2. Turn or confirm the throttle position so the target speed is greater than zero.
3. Release the Train Brake slider by moving it upwards.

So, should be able to do with even just the older CAB1.

Thats cool, did not know it was released before.  Thanks!

Wheel slip is a nice feature.  Sad you have to pray to the train gods that your Lionel engine arrives in one piece and working.

Yes, they are supposed to have it, but I don't have Legacy either.   I'm conventional or I use Bluetooth with the orange remotes.

It's not the same wheel slip as on the Tri-Plex.  The wheels do not actually slip.  It's a sound/smoke effect.

I'm expecting mine sometime this week or next.  I am choosing to be optimistic and believe that Lionel took the time to check these and they'll arrive in perfect running order.  I got the modern excursion / oil-burning version -- I love the (accurate) gloss black boiler and figured as colors go, it was easy to get that one right!

I've been fortunate that all my Legacy/ Visionline stuff has arrived 99.5% intact. I had a faulty headlight on a Visionline locomotive but it took me longer to undo the boiler screws than it did to fix the bad connection.

So I'm optimistic

I hope you guys are right and all will be intact.   I've just had a terrible run with the last few and it's had me concerned about having to go through the warranty process again.   My 2-10-10-2 vision from 2 years ago had to go back twice.  Anyway, fingers crossed for tomorrow!

@MartyE posted:

It's not the same wheel slip as on the Tri-Plex.  The wheels do not actually slip.  It's a sound/smoke effect.

Oh, that explains it!  I was confused I never saw actually wheel sleep before on any model before the triplex and thought maybe they slipped it in the Big Boy.

Thanks!

Sean

Is yours the excursion 4014? I'm curious if Lionel actually glossed the entire loco/tender or just the locomotive like last time.

@Surefire posted:

Is yours the excursion 4014? I'm curious if Lionel actually glossed the entire loco/tender or just the locomotive like last time.

From the YouTube videos I've seen that have come out the last few days it appears that the paint is the same on the locomotive and the tender. It does not look glossy to me. Not like the Premier Big Boy from the lastest release anyway. Maybe I wasn't looking at the excursion version.

Brad

Got my 4019 yesterday from legacy station. All was good, it’s a awesome locomotive

all I had was to screw the bell back on to the clapper and tweak the drawbar the tender was sitting too low

Perhaps someday Lionel and MTH will retool their lower chassis assemblies, so end users can optionally exchange out the wheelsets with rubber tires for steel.   (It's very possible--all MTH HO scale steam locos had this design feature.)  Then we would get to see ACTUAL wheelslip complete with attendant smoke and sound effects.  With the right spare parts, I think it's possible to exchange axles on Lionel's Legacy Consolidations and Moguls; also the Niagara.  On anything else it would require skilled machine work.

I've suggested before that the Legacy "train brake" could apply a physical brake to the tender, caboose, or a specially-equipped freight car.  The added physical resistance would be enough to induce wheelspin in the loco, assuming (1) that it was geared low enough; (2) that it wasn't overweight for the chosen motor/gearing combo; and (3) that it wasn't equipped with rubber tires.

The "brake" itself could be magnetic, or simply an expanding pantograph type mechanism controlled by a solenoid, that rubs on the inside faces of the car wheels.  Since the CAB-2 (and presumably the app) have a slider, it would be nice if the brake force was variable and not just on/off.

I hope I live long enough to see this come to pass, but I'm not holding my breath!

@B rad posted:

From the YouTube videos I've seen that have come out the last few days it appears that the paint is the same on the locomotive and the tender. It does not look glossy to me. Not like the Premier Big Boy from the lastest release anyway. Maybe I wasn't looking at the excursion version.

Brad

If it's the Legacy Station video that is the coal fired one. Hoping to see the oil fired.

@Surefire posted:

If it's the Legacy Station video that is the coal fired one. Hoping to see the oil fired.

I just looked again. It was an unboxing of 4014 from 4 days ago but it did have the coal tender. I can't find a video of the excursion version. Wonder if they haven't arrived yet.

Brad

@Ted S posted:

I hope I live long enough to see this come to pass, but I'm not holding my breath!

Good thinking as I doubt it'll happen.

Got my BB#4000 yesterday and it was busted..I had watched an unboxing video and there was supossed to be a block of foam against the Boiler front that swings open..Nope and door broke off..was able to fix that ..hinges need touch up but on a Toy this expensive thats not good and its missing the bell...Last Vision line i got SP 4449 same thing with boiler front...Thats the end of Big ticket Lionel for me..Ill use what i got and spend the $$ on Winchesters and Car parts

@Snkbittin posted:

Got my BB#4000 yesterday and it was busted..I had watched an unboxing video and there was supossed to be a block of foam against the Boiler front that swings open..Nope and door broke off..was ablethe to fix that ..hinges need touch up but on a Toy this expensive thats not good and its missing the bell...Last Vision line i got SP 4449 same thing with boiler front...Thats the end of Big ticket Lionel for me..Ill use what i got and spend the $$ on Winchesters and Car parts

The unboxing video I watched there was a piece of black foam in the front. When he removed it the bell fell off. He tried to casually put the bell back on and it fell off again. He never did comment on it but it was obvious something was broken. There was zero shipping damage to the box so it appeared it was not any sort of shipping damage.

I've been lucky in most of my purchases so far but unless things change I will not be ordering anymore expensive trains. Like some others I do not have the luxury of having a local train hobby shop in my immediate area.

For the folks that say you are in the wrong hobby if you are not prepared to deal with these situations don't even make sense to me. I have plenty of money to spend but not for incompetent quality control.

Brad

@B rad posted:

The unboxing video I watched there was a piece of black foam in the front. When he removed it the bell fell off. He tried to casually put the bell back on and it fell off again. He never did comment on it but it was obvious something was broken. There was zero shipping damage to the box so it appeared it was not any sort of shipping damage.

I've been lucky in most of my purchases so far but unless things change I will not be ordering anymore expensive trains. Like some others I do not have the luxury of having a local train hobby shop in my immediate area.

For the folks that say you are in the wrong hobby if you are not prepared to deal with these situations don't even make sense to me. I have plenty of money to spend but not for incompetent quality control.

Brad

The boxes are built to withstand a direct hit from a Harpoon missile.. missing the bell and the foam that would have prevented the boiler door from opening then getting torn off by gravity is just plain bad QC.. I got a Greenbrier end of Aug and it had to go back for turned out bad board.. then this .. I expect when I buy a new anything it’s perfect .. This BB was going to be the last Engine for me and I didn’t expect it till the end of year .. I have a Berkshire on order but now I’m not sure I wanna roll the dice on it ..I also expect that wherever I buy this stuff from to do all the legwork to get it all taken care of for me

Regardless of the issues I had this thing is amazing.. lights..sounds.. size ..the depleting coal load.. everything.. I have a legacy Big Boy and it makes that one look like the girl always on the wall at the dance .. I just wish problems hadn’t dampened my excitement when it came

Ordered the last oil burning 4014 from Legacy Station. They emailed me a 10% off code and it worked on the new Big Boy! Took a little sting out of the total. Can't wait to get it!

I did it!   I finally received a big engine from Lionel that isn't broken.  Thank you Lionel.  It was well packed and double boxed, actually, triple boxed if you count the extra box Legacy Station put it in.  Thanks to LS for that extra effort.  This model is actually quite beautiful and detailed.  I don't have a legacy system yet, but I ran it conventional and with the Orange bluetooth remote and everything seemed to work.  I had to expand the tunnels a bit and cut off a little of the mountain wall where it passes very close by.   Worth it to finally have "The Beast."  Sorry for crumby pics, but you know what it looks like.

Just received my shipping notice from Charles Ro, my Oil Burner will be here on Friday! Can’t wait!

Got mine today. The Oil Burner. Looks like someone waxed and buffer the engine. The smoke units were great. They must have used MTH smoke units. LOL

For the folks who ordered the Big Boy with the elephant ears, are they removable?

@NVisich posted:

For the folks who ordered the Big Boy with the elephant ears, are they removable?

They are removable after you install them. They are shipped unattached. Line the holes upon the smoke box and at the bottom magnet hold them in place. No screws to mess with.

Glad to see no bad luck here yet.   Ran mine the first and second night for a little while and still ok.  Amen!

@Jim D posted:

Got mine today. The Oil Burner. Looks like someone waxed and buffer the engine. The smoke units were great. They must have used MTH smoke units. LOL

Is the tender glossed as well?

@42trainman posted:

I did it!   I finally received a big engine from Lionel that isn't broken.  Thank you Lionel.  It was well packed and double boxed, actually, triple boxed if you count the extra box Legacy Station put it in.  Thanks to LS for that extra effort.  This model is actually quite beautiful and detailed.  I don't have a legacy system yet, but I ran it conventional and with the Orange bluetooth remote and everything seemed to work.  I had to expand the tunnels a bit and cut off a little of the mountain wall where it passes very close by.   Worth it to finally have "The Beast."  Sorry for crumby pics, but you know what it looks like.

I’m not sure which is worse, …..the fact that you anticipated something was gonna be wrong, or the fact it sounds like this is the first new engine you got that didn’t have something wrong!….glad y’all boys are not having issues!!

Pat

Guys,

I found this Big Boy from Train Loft : Vision Line Big Boy Heritage "What if.."
Personnaly, I like it.

Link: (Gizmotrains Youtube Channel)

Vision Line Big Boy 4025 Heritage

That's sharp! @Gino Especially that tender.

@Gino posted:

Guys,

I found this Big Boy from Train Loft : Vision Line Big Boy Heritage "What if.."
Personnaly, I like it.

Link: (Gizmotrains Youtube Channel)

Vision Line Big Boy 4025 Heritage

Wonderful to see it has arrived! Very excited to get this one! Jeff and the crew did a wonderful job on it!

Might have spoken too soon.  So the engine has probably 10 minutes of run time.  Now it has a high pitched whirling sound in forward that adjusts it speed with the speed of the engine.  Do not hear it in reverse.   Any thoughts?   I took an 18 second video on my iPhone where you can hear it but I cannot seem to get it to post.   Thoughts?   Really Really hoping this isn't anything serious, engine seems to be working fine.

Sounds like the flywheel may be rubbing on something, but that's just a guess based on things that happen.

John, how do I check that?  but wouldn't it happen in reverse too?  It does sound like that styrofoam squeal a little, but I don't see anything obvious.

trainman, when you heard the sound, did you turn the sound effect volume down all the way?  If not you might be hearing a simulated turbo-generator sound (these apparatuses were present on modern steam locos like the Big Boy.)

1. can anyone post the 13 second video for me?

2. I don't have legacy, so I operate conventional or with the orange universal remote so I don't think I can adjust volume, no?  It sounds more live than on an audio track.

So, yes, I was able to turn volume completely off with the orange remote.  (new info, didn't know I could do that). Turned it all the way off, but still hear the high pitched squeal.  Sound like rubbing styrofoam or two nylon gears not meshing well... thoughts?  Again, if anyone can post the vids for me, you could hear it well.