At the T. C. A. Presentation, Lionel announced the 4-4-0 as the new brass hybrid for 2019.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKFGP7usnc4
They were the:
These steamers will have TMCC equipped electronics but NO sound and smoke.
Anyone interested?
I for one am intrigued on the PRR model.
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Waiting for the formal announcement early May (?May 10), with pricing 
. Intrigued but want to see the drawings first. Golden Spike set would be my first choice.
Yes I’ll be getting 3 - the 2 Golden spike engines and the PRR one.
I believe prior to this, only SMR trains offered scale models of early American 4-4-0s so it will be nice to see these.
Should be beautiful engines when they come out.
The official announcement and preorders start May 10th I do believe.
I'm all for the brass hybrids - I was very sorry to see that the N&W streamlined K-2 Mountain generated fewer orders than needed - but none of the above are of any interest to me.
These are more "event modeling" than "RR modeling", anyway, and these events have no meaning to me.
Hello Guys and Gals
What's wrong with Sunset 3RD ? They are much better made and the ENTIRE engine is made of brass stock , I know because I bought a S.F. 5011 class 2-10-4 back in 2012. This engine has coined brass driver center rims and tool steel tires and flanges and very heavy dirty ball bearing gear box with toothed belt drive and Pittman motor. It is easy to install up-graded sound system if desired. Their prices are reasonable as I paid 1200 dollars for my S.F. 5011 and had for 7 years now and no running problems. This has to be better than what Lionel has to offer. Sunset 3rd has more steam locomotive choices to boot. I do know that there are some forum members that do have and run Sunset 3rd steamers but some of them do need to be reworked or thinker a little then they run like fine Swiss watches. My 5011 did need some rework on the drive train and siderod bolts ( to take up or tight it up some of the loose fitting parts and after that it runs like a Swiss watch)
Just my nickel's worth speech.
Tiffany
"This has to be better than what Lionel has to offer. "
I don't agree given that the Lionel product hasn't been announced much less produced.
3rd Rail makes nice locos, I have more than one. But so does Lionel. Lionel's sounds are superior at this point. 3rd Rail is usually more expensive by a few hundred dollars with greater prototypical detail.
Finally, I'm not aware that Sunset is offering the Jupiter and the 119, but perhaps I missed that announcement? If not, the discussion is purely theoretical as these locos are not available from Sunset/3rd Rail. Educate me on this.
Tiffany posted:Hello Guys and Gals
What's wrong with Sunset 3RD ? They are much better made and the ENTIRE engine is made of brass stock , ..........................
Just my nickel's worth speech.
Tiffany
Do you have a link to an announcement from 3rd Rail for the 2 golden spike engines? I looked at their web site and did not see one, but I may have missed it.
The main point of this thread seems to be the 2 golden spike engines. Lionel happens to be making some others that are similar. {edit: I was typing at the same time as Landsteiner, apparently 
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As to the OP question, I will consider the 2 golden spike engines and possibly matching cars, but it depends on the price point(also not sure on the "generic" 2 car set that could go with any of the engines - maybe a single set of those, again depending on price point). If it's similar to the Lincoln Funeral Train price point, then I may be in.
-Dave
"This has to be better than what Lionel has to offer."
LOL!!!!! Scott Mann made no announcement at York about 150 anniversary locs.
So. NOT better than what Lionel has to offer.
prrhorseshoecurve posted:Two for the golden spike ceremony
The Leviathan at York, Pa
A modified "PRR" steam engine for the Lincoln funeral train
The Eureaka and Palisades.
The Eureka & Palisades #4 is a smaller, 3 foot gauge locomotive.
The fifth hybrid 4-4-0 announced is #17, the York as seen on the Northern Central in York County, Pennsylvania.
Rusty
prrhorseshoecurve posted:At the T. C. A. Presentation, Lionel announced the 4-4-0 as the new brass hybrid for 2019.
These steamers will have TMCC equipped electronics but NO sound and smoke.
No smoke is OK with me but it must have sound for me to buy.
MELGAR
Hello Guys again
I was talking about the S.F. 3222 class 2-8-2 Mike. The body is brass of course but the frame ,cylinder and drivers and flanges, trailing truck castings are made of zinc and perhaps fixed gearbox too. Are you guys prepared to deal with it if it happens ? There have been few thread topics about the zinc pest problem. What makes it better than Sunset 3rd? Perhaps in future this engine might have zinc pest problem if it comes from China. While it is true that Sunset does not have the 4-4-0 engines and i don't know if they ever made 3rd version. This is one main advantage Sunset has over lionel is the metals they use to make the engine out of. You guys can shot me down all you want but i KNOW my S.F. 5011 will not have the zinc pest problem and there are 2 parts it has that is made of zinc ( rear tender coulper and the gear box housing) so that makes it a easy fix if it happens but it never did as this engine was made in 2001 and the zinc parts still good so far after 18 years now. I am done here (last post).
Tiffany
Total disinterest, none for me thanks. Never will be either. I'm not a steam fan.
No smoke and no sound, so I am out...
Tiffany posted:Hello Guys again
I was talking about the S.F. 3222 class 2-8-2 Mike. ........................ While it is true that Sunset does not have the 4-4-0 engines and i don't know if they ever made 3rd version. This is one main advantage Sunset has over lionel is the metals they use to make the engine out of. You guys can shot me down all you want but i KNOW my S.F. 5011 will not have the zinc pest problem and there are 2 parts it has that is made of zinc ( rear tender coulper and the gear box housing) so that makes it a easy fix if it happens but it never did as this engine was made in 2001 and the zinc parts still good so far after 18 years now. I am done here (last post).
Tiffany
So you post a note randomly talking about some engine type other than what the original poster was referring to, and somehow we are wrong for calling you on it?
You may as well have stated that Thomas the Tank Wooden Railway is better because it has no risk of zinc rot. That would have had about the same level of relevance as comparing the 2-8-2 to the Golden Spike 4-4-0 topic that is what is being discussed here.
I'm sure if Scott did decide to produce these, they would be fine models, but he most likely is not, since he did not make any announcement to suggest it, and the actual anniversary year is probably the year to do it.
-Dave
I'll buy when a nice scale 4-4-0 of that era is made at a Rail King level and price. $1K small loco is not my comfort zone.
I have a couple of SMR 4-4-0 engines one of which has the sound and command control in a civil war boxcar that is pulled immediately behind the tender. No smoke although if I remember correctly there was an option to put in a Suethe smoke tube. There just isn't the space for sound equipment in the tenders of these models.
They are very fine examples of the brass railroad model engine art. As I have these I am not in the market for Lionel's no sound/smoke hybrid offerings although I wish them every success.
Anyway if some of you want something serious to be critical about have a look at SMR's website's home page:
I did not realize what had happened to them and why.
AMCDave posted:I'll buy when a nice scale 4-4-0 of that era is made at a Rail King level and price. $1K small loco is not my comfort zone.
MTH made this Premier model of Central Pacific 4-4-0 Jupiter #60 with PS2 in 2006/2007 at a list price of $700.
MELGAR
Concerning those exquisite SMR models,the company is closed.
I just don't see how an of these out of scale engines can compare.
Norm
Don't forget that MTH made some premier 4-4-0's as well... In both firebox types, Belpaire and Round.
The expensive and highly sought after PRR D8 by SMR trains
A comparison of the MTH premier 4-4-0 vs. the Thomas 2RL scale 4-4-0
No sound? Not for me.
If they can put sound in HO I'd hope they could in this
prrhorseshoecurve posted:At the T. C. A. Presentation, Lionel announced the 4-4-0 as the new brass hybrid for 2019.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKFGP7usnc4
They were the:
- Two for the golden spike ceremony
- The Leviathan at York, Pa
- A modified "PRR" steam engine for the Lincoln funeral train
- The Eureaka and Palisades.
These steamers will have TMCC equipped electronics but NO sound and smoke.
Anyone interested?
I for one am intrigued on the PRR model.
These will have legacy in them. But with no sound or smoke I'm skipping. Rather would have the RK ones.
Trainlover9943 posted:prrhorseshoecurve posted:At the T. C. A. Presentation, Lionel announced the 4-4-0 as the new brass hybrid for 2019.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKFGP7usnc4
They were the:
- Two for the golden spike ceremony
- The Leviathan at York, Pa
- A modified "PRR" steam engine for the Lincoln funeral train
- The Eureaka and Palisades.
These steamers will have TMCC equipped electronics but NO sound and smoke.
Anyone interested?
I for one am intrigued on the PRR model.
These will have legacy in them. But with no sound or smoke I'm skipping. Rather would have the RK ones.
That's fine if you're happy with oversized "Generalizations" rather than accurate models.
Rusty
Rusty Traque posted:Trainlover9943 posted:prrhorseshoecurve posted:At the T. C. A. Presentation, Lionel announced the 4-4-0 as the new brass hybrid for 2019.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKFGP7usnc4
They were the:
- Two for the golden spike ceremony
- The Leviathan at York, Pa
- A modified "PRR" steam engine for the Lincoln funeral train
- The Eureaka and Palisades.
These steamers will have TMCC equipped electronics but NO sound and smoke.
Anyone interested?
I for one am intrigued on the PRR model.
These will have legacy in them. But with no sound or smoke I'm skipping. Rather would have the RK ones.
That's fine if you're happy with oversized "Generalizations" rather than accurate models.
Rusty
Doesn't bother me.
These locomotives have not been announced by Sunset Models / 3rd Rail and currently there is no intention to announce them. Scott Mann and I spent some time Sunday at the B&O museum in Baltimore looking at and photographing the C&O Hudson which has been announced.
We also looked at the B&O passenger Geep which has been announced. There is an original B&O passenger GP at the museum. Scott left at 8:30 today to go home.
Sorry, I would like a scale Hudson like the 700e, with the bells and whistles, but not the ones in mention. I actually ordered the N&W K2, but it was cancelled. I know there will be a market for the ones in mention....Great Ideas...
dkdkrd posted:............................................It's hard for me to imagine the majority of those who can afford Lionel hybrid efforts having an operating justification for them. Seriously?.....a layout that will have a pair of Golden Spike engines running???.....on TMCC???.....with no sounds?.....or billows of wood-burning smoke/scent?. In fact, the only prototypical photo of that pair of engines I've ever seen is of them parked....nose-to-nose....with an obliterating crowd mugging for the photog.
Isn't this just an extension of their Heritage series...John Bull, DeWitt Clinton, etc.??? Why even put motors, gears, electronics, wires, etc. in them? I remember one chap offering his Lionel John Bull for sale on the secondary market writing, "It's been about 10 years since the train was has been out of the box. When first received, the set was displayed a couple of months in the living room fireplace mantle around Christmas, I had a piece of track to run it back and forth." IOW....."Shelf Queen". whoopee.
And now, a whole gaggle of them?....Each one expected (because of the 'brass' genre) to have prototype-specific-accurate details/finishing??....in sufficient numbers to justify production????
And the N&W K2 couldn't hack that? Nor something more 'useful' in all its brass hybrid finery...like a NYC H10b?
.............................I don't want it....or any of them.
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True they would not fit in as a normal "full bells and whistles" operating session, obviously. I see them as display items with occasional run time.
Yes, similar to the Heritage Series. I actually might have preferred if they were offered the same operationally as Heritage items, but I am probably in the minority there. The effort/cost to put in TMCC or Legacy in there is of limited attraction to me without the sounds/smoke (which I fully realize will not fit, especially the smoke). I'm OK with reverting to physically or electronically moving the transformer voltage to run conventional units from time to time. Obviously that's not realistic for those who operate exclusively command with 18V on the track at all times via a brick power supply, so I understand that.
The heritage series was (IMO) nicely made quality models (I am not a rivet counter, and therefore I also embraced the fictional coal cars that were offered with the Stourbridge Lion - they looked a good match even if the engine didn't survive long enough in it's real life to have any rolling stock made to go with it). So to me, if they are made similarly to Heritage Series, it's a good thing. Those were not hybrids though, so I'm not sure whether that's a positive or a negative change to be honest.
I would agree with you that the "whole gaggle" of them is probably overdoing it. I would not be shocked if there are not enough orders for some of the offerings not part of the Golden Spike moment in history. Time will tell.
-Dave
Yes I am in all the way. Something that caught my ear was when Ryan was talking about these locomotives, he mention that they were working on some "special package deals". Any thoughts? I will admit that a little bit of "steam" did come out of me when I heard that it would only be command controlled, but I am still getting one. A bit food for thought, in truth this is the first time that Lionel has ever produced something like this relating to the transcon. Also, you have to consider when the next possible time when Lionel or even another manufacture is going to do something like this. I am 15 this year and the next time the transcon will be having a "birthday" would be another 50 years. Overall all, this would be the prime time to get one or all of theses locomotives to be able to have a pice of a great American history, in O-scale.
Hancock52 posted:............Anyway if some of you want something serious to be critical about have a look at SMR's website's home page:
I did not realize what had happened to them and why.
Thanks for pointing that out. I admit I was not an SMR customer, but I did admire their products. They looked extremely well done.
Sad to read what transpired. 
-Dave
No sound? Hmm, that makes it a no buy for me. I do realize that there isn't much real estate to begin with, but I've seen YouTube video were they cram as much as they can to fit sound and control to an older engine like that. I would have thought that would be doable as well as some sort of smoke.
I am excited and will probably get Northern Central #17 The York, but I won't make a decision until I see more information including price.
I am particularly excited to see models produced of steam locomotives you can see operating today! Judging from the comments here, other people don't agree and I don't understand it personally. Trading accuracy for sound doesn't seem worth it when these are among the most photographed locomotives in the US, every incorrect aspect will stand out for me.
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