New Legacy electronics fixed yet?

I don't have any information but I'm wondering the same thing.  There are at least 3 sets of E7's I'd love to buy.  I won't go near them until I know for sure.  I returned the E8's for a refund.  I don't want to go through that again.  I don't want to put my dealer through that again either.

My E7s arrived with zero issues. No broken or missing parts and they run fine. I just gave them a new number and ran them. Some report issues trying to run with bluetooth but I run TMCC/Legacy. The only mod made so far is to put a shorter electro coupler on the B unit so the gaps are the same on both ends. Still looking for a suitable pilot to fix to the leading A unit.

Pete

@Norton posted:

My E7s arrived with zero issues. No broken or missing oarts and they run fine.

Pete

Thats a fantasy paint scheme, correct?  Sharp nontheless. That one, and the dreyfuss Niagara are my favorites, and at least, seem plausible.

Enjoy them Pete!

Beautiful! I couldn’t tell from the video..can you confirm if the Rule 17 lighting is working and if the air brake release sounds when the engine first starts rolling?

Rick. Its for real. A pair was painted this color and another pair black like Lionel's other NYC E 7 release. I would post pics but you know we can't. 3rd Rail did this scheme about 8 years ago but have yet to find that set for sale. Lionel's grays are lighter than I would have liked to match my 1940 20th Century cars but that would have been too much to hope for.

MTH did an E6 in this scheme early 2000s. NYC never had any E6s but the color is much closer to prototype.

Pete

My main concern (and the reason I returned my E8's) was/is the static noise at low volumes.  I'm happy with the colors on this latest batch.  I think they look great.

Norton, the suspense is killing me! There are a bunch of us who had a miserable time with last year’s E8s and want to know:

Does your new E7 have:

1. The annoying background static sound?

2. A working Rule 17 function?

3. Air brake release sound effect upon initiation of engine movement?

As seen in the video, rule 17 works and lack of static. I didn’t pay attention to brake release sounds. Some of the engine background sounds can be turned off and on.

Trains have been put aside for now. In summer mode riding and working on motorcycles.

Pete

@Norton posted:

As seen in the video, rule 17 works and lack of static. I didn’t pay attention to brake release sounds. Some of the engine background sounds can be turned off and on.

Trains have been put aside for now. In summer mode riding and working on motorcycles.

Pete

Thanks Pete! Sounds like the problems were resolved. Enjoy! And thanks for the info.

So after I read this thread a few days back, I was worried about the new Legacy Baldwin RF-16 sharks that are shipping out this month.

The sharks are configured similarly where both A units are powered and keep in sync somehow.  Anyway, I can say that they run very smoothly together using TMCC control using a CAB-1 and TMCC Base.  The rear unit is ever so slightly faster, where it will close a distance of probably an inch over say 20 feet.  My my math that makes it like 0.4% faster.  These are rough estimates.  I haven't noticed any other speed sync issues.

The "Rule 17" lighting works i.e. headlight dims when stopped and cab light turns on and headlight brightens when moving and cab light turns off.  That's the only thing I've ever noticed our O-scale MTH and Lionel engines do related to "Rule 17".

As for the static.  I did notice a little background static, but it was very minor.  Comparing to the Legacy F7 AA set I have from the 2017 catalog I'd say those are a 10 on a 1-10 scale of sound fidelity while these sharks are maybe a 8.5 or 9.  So, not bad - just not not as "crisp" as other ones I've used.

So overall I'd say it's "fixed" but I'm not sure how bad the static was on the E7/E8s.  Definitely not dragging the rear unit.  I'll have to double check on the airbrake release on movement.  I did notice an airbrake release sound but I can't remember when it did it.

I read about other experiences so when I unboxed my new Southern E8's, I first programmed the lead unit and tested it by several trips around the layout both forward and backwards, parked it on a siding and did the same with the other unit.     Next I positioned them on the track about three feet apart and created a train.   My first attempt one ran the wrong direction but after fixing my error I re-started the test by running them as lash up three feet apart.    Six times around the layout forward, six times around in reverse, when I stopped they were still the same three feet apart.   So far I've found no defects in these two units, but prior to this I was running a 20% defect of some sort on all my new locomotives. 

Mike, FYI assuming the E8s are programmed like the E7s you don’t have to create a lash up. Just program them all with the same ID number and the trailing unit will startup in reverse.

Pete

@rplst8 - I returned my E8's so I can't demonstrate the static at low volumes.  However, JamesRx posted a video of his E8's this in this thread.

Below is his video.  Is that what your sharks sounds like?  Thanks.

I have two sets of E8s, the PRR and the Lackawanna. No issues with either. Received my NYC E7 set a couple of weeks ago. The lead engine ran fine, but the trail engine had several issues. Sent them back and awaiting a replacement set.

Pat

@MikeH posted:

@rplst8 - I returned my E8's so I can't demonstrate the static at low volumes.  However, JamesRx posted a video of his E8's this in this thread.

Below is his video.  Is that what your sharks sounds like?  Thanks.

I didn't hear any static in that video.

@MikeH posted:

@rplst8 - I returned my E8's so I can't demonstrate the static at low volumes.  However, JamesRx posted a video of his E8's this in this thread.

Below is his video.  Is that what your sharks sounds like?  Thanks.

@gunrunnerjohn posted:

I didn't hear any static in that video.

I did.

Though on a scale of 1 to awful I'd give it a "Ehh, not great, I'd rather it not be there but not the end of the world either."  My F7s definitely do not have that.  I'll record the sharks later and post my findings.

@rplst8 posted:

I did.

Though on a scale of 1 to awful I'd give it a "Ehh, not great, I'd rather it not be there but not the end of the world either."  My F7s definitely do not have that.  I'll record the sharks later and post my findings.

I hear the same and agree the E7s don’t have that.

Pete

@rplst8 posted:

I did.

Though on a scale of 1 to awful I'd give it a "Ehh, not great, I'd rather it not be there but not the end of the world either."  My F7s definitely do not have that.  I'll record the sharks later and post my findings.

Thank you.  I'm looking forward to it.  The clicking/popping/static is most evident at the lowest volume level.  Unfortunately, that's how I run my engines so while not the end of the world, it's a deal killer for me.  Thanks for your help.

@MikeH I took some videos of my new Legacy Shark and of my older Legacy F7.  In the videos, I start the engines, lower the volume to 0 (no bells) then move camera/mic in closer for a listen.  Then I start and stop the engines.  The Shark definitely has some static. However, neither of the units plays the airbrake release when the engine moves.  A "switch" sound is activated when it moves from a stop, but I think that is the "cab lights being turned off".  The airbrake sound does play when it comes to a stop on both units.

A few things I noticed.  At medium volumes (not sure how many steps their are but I think I counted 8, so maybe step 4 or so) the F7 does have a little static.  It doesn't pick up on the mic as well, but I could hear it in person.  That said, the F7 is MUCH quieter overall than the Shark.  The mic in my phone has auto volume adjustment so it's hard to tell just how much, but the Shark on the minimum setting is a good bit louder than the F7 on it's minimum setting.  And before anyone asks, I know that the volume of the engine roar can be changed independently of the horn, I made sure that on both I was setting the master volume.  I could confirm this with the Bluetooth app if there are any doubts.

So in summary or tl;dr for you reddit fans (tool long, didn't read):
1) Shark has static that is pretty noticeable, but F7 (older Legacy) has some too though much, much less.
2) The Shark is overall much louder at each setting than the F7.
3) Neither have an airbrake sound when starting from a stop, both do after coming to a stop

@rplst8 Thanks for your efforts there, sir.  I appreciate it.

I think quality control/production has to be moved to say.

Vietnam