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In the Lionel 2023 vol 2 catalog I see were Lionel will be offering 2-8-0 Condolidation locomotives.Does anyone know what motor they will using.I belong to a modular club and I would like to pull around 20 cars for about 45 minutes and just want to know pulling power and also are these MTH old tooling . Thanks

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I would be surprised if the '23 volume 2 Consolidations are any different "under the hood" from the Pennsy-style consolidations in the 2018 big book.  The motor in those was a medium-duty Mabuchi RS-385PH, and I believe the gear ratio was 16.5:1, back-drivable.

I don't think that you'll hurt the loco pulling 20 free-rolling plastic cars on flat track and broad curves.  By free-rolling, I'm excluding die-cast metal cars, and passenger cars with the added drag of pick-up rollers and wipers.  Any more than 20 freight cars, and I think you would be working the loco pretty hard.  My $.02.

If you're pulling modern cars with needle-point axles, 20 cars on level track is child's play.  The plot thickens if you're running on grades, or pulling older post-war cars that have more rolling resistance.

You're worried about the Consolidation pulling them?  How about a BEEP with no traction tires and five heavyweight 18" passenger cars?  Like I said, level track is easy.

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