New Lionel Mohawk 2854 and 2867

Good catch! I'm surprised more folks aren't bothered by this. This seems a far  bigger mistake than the lack of whistle steam. Save yourself $500 bucks and track down one of the last(correct) l2a's offered in 2005. There was one up on the forum awhile back for $650.

Thanks Rick

I am sure lots of NYC fans who would be interested in this are haeded back home from York. I thought I might send Lionel a note after they come back from their R&R

break after York.

I have the 2005 L2a #2793 and I love it. I have been wanting to get my hands on one of the two later cab numbers, (can't recall them at the moment) I was second in line to get one of them at York a couple of years ago - for $450, in the parking lot of the Holiday Inn. I saw the guy who beat me to it at his table in the Red Hall. Price - $850.

The last two Mohawks Lionel made had Rail Sounds 5, which is fine with me. I just cannot  sale myself on Legecy.

Thanks,

Richard

If I modeled the NYC, I would certainly be more concerned about a correct number than whether or not the whistle smoked or the bell swing.

Rusty

Richard the later ones are  item #11114 #2795 from the empire builder set, and item#11105 2770 was the seperate sale mohawk, which I have. These have the correct 4chuffs per revolution. FWIW Heres the ad I was referring to, its old but there are no mention of any takers on the 2795, if your interested, might be worth contacting the seller.

https://ogrforum.com/d...ent/6216614252395618

Sadly, this problem is all too common to Lionel. Somewhere they have a C student who's doing the research for numbers. "Its a Mohawk, good enough, guys."

The die cast UP ES44 was the same... its a 3 side window cab model, and the number they put on it it was a 4 side window ES44. YET, UP has 3 window ES44s...

The UP AC6000, same problem. The number they chose was an AC6044 convertible, with a single oval exhaust stack. The model has the dual stacks of a true AC6000... UP has those too. 

I'm sure there are others... I know of those 2 because I looked into them at some point with Visa in my hand.

I believe the BNSF ES44 suffers the same problem.

It takes 5 minutes to verify cab numbers, and with the internet, its SO EASY to do. It should be one of the few things that dont get messed up under any circumstances (assuming its not a "Fantasy" model).

I was on the fence about this model when it went on blowout, and usually do try to find a pic of the the engine before I buy it, but hadn't gotten to it with this one yet. Thanks for pointing it out.

Thankfully, the MTH Mohawks are dynamite models. No legacy, but the amount of detail on them (and the cheaper price), more than makes up for that in my opinion.

Imagine the A-bomb that would have gone off if the J was 625 or something.

Just did a little looking around...  there were 100 L2a Mohawks... 2700-2799. There were another 100 L2c... 2800-2899. Some L2s were renumbered in the late 30's, but they were L2d's, and went from 2450-2499 to 2950-2999.

http://www.steamlocomotive.com/mountain/?page=nyc

Why does the prototype engine not have a cowcatcher? I am just curious. It looks like running boards, but I can't be quite sure. I thought most steamers had cowcatchers. Thanks.

Despite its apparent minor issues, it is an attractive loco.

But is this a scale loco - truly scale in size?  It's listed as Standard O, I know, but it does not actually say it is fully scale . . . .

Yes

JohnS,

I have to disagree you on this. The 736 Berkshire was a toy. these Mohawks started out costing about $980 in 2005, and now they are over $1K. I can accept the level of detail on these engines not approaching the level found on an O scale brass model, but come on, lets at least find a B+ student as mentioned above by Boilermaker 1 and get the cab number right. Lionel had 97 chances to get it right. Hopefully  there is still time to fix it.

I learned a while back that we really have to take this scale thing with a big grain of salt in our Hi Rail hobby. I was debating a prototype / scale issue with a friend one day and he finally looked at me and reminded me that our trains all run on three rails- end of debate!

Take care and have a good week.

Richard

Hi Brian

On some railroads, Locomotives that were used in Freight service would have what is sometimes referred to as a "freight pilot" rather than a "cow catcher" This is a pilot pretty much as we see on the earlier Lionel L2 class Mohawk and usually has steps or foot boards. If switching was done in route, a brakeman might ride on these steps to facilitate the switching, car drop off and pickup.

Early Pennsylvania Consolidations which were freight service usually were built with the cow catchers or road pilots but changed to the footboards in early shoppings of these locos to allow for expedited switching in route.

I know this tread is old nut I too am interested in the Lionel Mohawk w/RS 5.0. from around 2005. In aware of the fact that the latest versions have the odyssey system but I don't even own the odyssey control system. At one point in time I owned the free odyssey system that came with either the big boy or challenger but those early odyssey systems were nothing but trouble so I got rid of mine. I know you guys are mostly experts when it come down to these high end locomotives and I would really appreciate any insight on which Mohawk locomotive would best suit mu needs. Many thanks Jocko.

Jocko,

ODYSSEY is a speed control/cruise control system to maintain a consistent speed regardless of grade or load.

 LEGACY, is the COMMAND CONTROL system that came with the Legacy Big Boys, and separate sale as well.

Doug

Lee - yes it is 1:48. I have one, BTW (of course - it's NYC), and it is just gorgeous.

Mine is the older L2a TMCC version, with RR Roman lettering. One of the Top 10 most

desirable Lionel steamers.

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I, if not my wallet, would love to see some L2b, c and d versions. I forget the precise

scheme, but some L2 Mohawks had sunken Elescos (like some J1 Hudsons), and note

the L2c's above - they have sunken Coffin FWH (also like some early Hudsons, including the 5344).

So, all good variations. Could cost some of us a fortune.

I finally picked up up for a steep discount and it is a jewel: good looking, great running, good sound, a good size for my layout.  Really nice!!!!!   

As to the non-prototypical features - well, they didn't matter a bit to me I removed all the NYC graphics and relabeled mine Santa Fe - it's the second from the top below - the one with the coffin water heater, so I like it even more now . . . great loco!

Tom...(Jocko D)....It is so good to see you post!!  Where the heck have you been.  Always enjoyed our talks and the great purchases I made from you.  I emailed you a couple of times but got no response so thought perhaps something was wrong.  Give me a shout via my profile email sometime soon please!!

By the way, I have this locomotive too...in the MTH version and it is magnificent!

Thanks,

Alan