New MTH KCS E-6 ABBA; Pictures Please?

The scheme does appear wrong, not to mention that KCS never had any E-6B units, I don't believe, only 2 A units. The scheme should look like the photos below (which looks really sharp, IMHO). (As a side note, none of the MTH KCS engines I've seen to date has had the correct color shades - particularly the red, which has been way off the correct color, heading toward almost maroon.)

We have one A-B-A left.

Thanks

Pat

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E-6 ABA Diesel Engine Set With Proto-Sound 3.0 - Kansas City Southern Cab Nos.: A Units - 24 & 25

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E-6 ABA Diesel Engine Set With Proto-Sound 3.0 - Kansas City Southern Cab Nos.: A Units - 24 & 25 In the mid-1930's, as the Electro-Motive Division of General Motors was trying to interest railroads in diesel passenger power, there was a lot of experimentation in exterior design. Looking at EMD's worm-like yellow and brown Union Pacific M-10000, its gleaming stainless steel Burlington Zephyr, or the boxy, just-plain-ugly early Santa Fe units, it's apparent that here was a new function looking for its form. The first generation of road diesels found its form in 1937, when the initial E-units, built for the B&O, inaugurated the classic "covered wagon" cab unit design that would last for two decades on both freight and passenger diesels. The earliest E-units were each virtually custom-made, with less than 20 units produced of models EA through E5. With the E6, EMD settled on a standardized passenger unit and began to produce it in large quantities. Starting in 1939, 92 A-units and 26 matching B-units were built, before the war effort arrested production of all passenger diesels in 1942. The E6 was the last passenger diesel to sport the beautiful, rakish, streamlined EMD nose so characteristic of the 1930s. When the war ended, EMD resumed production of the E-Series with the E7, which featured the "bulldog" nose introduced earlier on the model FT freight diesel. Now you can enjoy the beauty and glamour of the seminal E6 streamliners in the colorful schemes of some of America's great railroads. Imagine the excitement of hearing station announcements and squealing brakes as your train glides to a stop, followed by the hustle and bustle of passengers disembarking and boarding. Moments later, the conductor's departure call pierces the din, the locomotive's bell begins to ring, and your train is off again for faraway places. It's all possible thanks to Proto-Sound 3.0. Only M.T.H. offers such a complete array of sounds and other features to bring the drama of prototype railroading onto your home layout. Did You Know? Because the prime mover of an E-unit diesel could be changed easily, these locomotives were given new engines throughout their service years. Features (2) Remotely Controlled Proto-Couplers Metal Chassis Illuminated Number Boards Directionally Controlled Headlights Die-Cast Truck Sides, Pilots and Fuel Tank Authentic Paint Scheme Metal Handrails and Decorative Horn Lighted Marker Lights Metal Body Side Grilles Intricately Detailed ABS Bodies Metal Wheels, Axles and Gears (2) Precision Flywheel Equipped Motors In Each A Unit Lighted Cab Interiors (2) Operating Smoke Units Locomotive Speed Control In Scale MPH Increments (2) Cab Figures In Each A Unit 1:48 Scale Proportions Onboard DCC Receiver Proto-Sound 3.0 With The Digital Command System Featuring: Passenger Station Proto-Effects Unit Measures:53" x 2 1/2" x 3 1/2" Operates On O-42 Curves Diesel DCC Features Headlight Bell Whistle/Horn Start Up/Shut Down Rear Coupler Front Coupler Engine Sounds On/Off Sound Volume Ditch Lights Auto/On/Off Forward Signal Reverse Signal Grade Crossing Signal Cab Light On/Off Extended Start Up Rev Up Extended Shut Down Rev Down Coupler Slack Sound Coupler Close Feature Reset One-Shot Doppler Idle Sequence 1 Idle Sequence 2 Idle Sequence 3 Brakes Auto/Off Cab Chatter Auto/Off Clickety-Clack Auto/Off Stock Number: 20-20343-1 Gauge: O/O-27 Gauge Manufacturer: MTH Premier Product Type: Locomotives Price: $646.99 Availability: In Stock

Thanks Pat..But I need to see pictures of the actual engine so I know that  the color scheme is ok...can you post some pictures???

Breezinup...thanks for the HO pic..Wow...that is really a sharp paint scheme!!! Too bad MTH did not add the silver paint on top of the units.

Here you are. Plus another KCS we have in stock.

Thanks

Pat

And not just missing the silver - note that the correct scheme has a red roof going all the way back, and then the black swoop extending up the sides and onto the roof in front of the silver portion. 

If I really wanted these E6s (I don't), I probably could live with the wrong paint scheme, although the correct one is much cooler. However, I could not live with that way off-color (what is supposed to be) red paint. 

Just me.

Jim,

it could have been a great engine set but it's not. I pass.

It is too bad. KCS had a real good looking consist.

It would be interesting to see the actual red in person. Not sure how dark it really is but would be one awesome set to customize and do correctly. Wow there is some potential right there. I'm liking the HO model as a prototype pic.....

The Southern Belle, all spit and polish and shined up, and a fresh GE down below, but pretty accurate renditions to show the correct colors (there's a KCS yard a few miles from my house). Obviously very different from the drab MTH model. Lionel's version of a KCS GE at the bottom - pretty accurate.

I love this photo, it sure tells us what is correct.

Nope. Those are "F" units, not even "E" type units.

I must say that is some eye-catching paint scheme!  The E6 units look great; too bad they did not get the paint colors and painted areas right, as in the Proto 2000 HO model as shown above.

Steve

The KCS E3's and the two E6's carried the as delivered scheme with the black rear end for just a short time. They were all repainted with the red and yellow bands extending to the end of the car body like their new E8s and the used E7's they purchased from the Maine Central. So the scheme MTH made is correct, just not the as delivered scheme. 

I can't comment on the color of the red, but it should be close.

Dan 

I am assuming the Black roofs came later as the original even after painting out the black and silver ends had all red roofs,bear in mind the current KCS units are painted with much more modern paints than the originals. Atlas,Weaver and Sunset do prototype paint schemes,MTH and Lionel do whatever marketing suggests will sell.

Here's a postcard picture from the early 1940s of the Southern Belle. KCS only had two E6s, both A units. They were passenger engines, and it would appear that the silver roof portion and black rear swoop scheme was used to visually integrate the engine with the passenger cars.

Here is another KCS prototype photo of an EMD unit for color comparison. (not E6)

The 1942-1954 scheme (shown below in HO) is what I wish MTH would have done with their E6.  I was going to buy the ABA set, but once I saw it in person recently, I decided to pass.  $600 to $700 is a lot for the less attractive color scheme (IMO) in the wrong colors, especially when the B Unit is not prototypical at all and I really only need 1 A Unit.  Maybe MTH or Lionel will do the KCS E6 in the early scheme?  Hopefully MTH since they now are selling single A Units.

I have this set.  It may not be 100% accurate but it is a great looking set.  The sounds are awesome.  I grew up with the KCS and I think the sounds are exactly what I remember the locomotive sounding like.  The paint scheme is darn close.  I am very pleased with my units.