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Watch Out Cars: New Regs Will Bring Euro-Style Trains To U.S.

 
Christopher Smith
 

a red white and blue train on a track: High-Speed Train© Motor1.com High-Speed Train

The revised regulations for U.S. train cars are now similar to Euro standards.

Here’s something a little different from the daily river of auto-related news. Changes to federal regulations for passenger rail systems in the U.S. now means that European-style passenger rail cars can ride American tracks without extensive modification. That may not seem like a big deal to some, but it could lead to safer travel by rail with reduced ticket prices for those who take the train in the U.S., either for business or pleasure. As a by-product, commuters in cars on the road could also see more trains on the track, and since Amtrak – the primary passenger train operator in the U.S. – says it carries 87,000 customers on trips each day, changes won’t go unnoticed by any means.

The saga itself is interesting as well, because the previous rules were established at a time when bigger is better was the primary slogan for safety. All passenger train cars in the U.S. needed to withstand a frontal collision impact equivalent to 800,000 pounds, but the regs didn’t really address how that force should be distributed. It’s not unlike crashing a massive 1950’s American sedan into a solid wall versus a modern lightweight hatchback. The big old sedan might fare better, but the hatchback will crumple and absorb the energy from the crash, offering far better protection to the passengers inside.

 

Apparently there aren’t many U.S. companies building train cars, so prior to the rule changes, Euro-built cars imported to the States had to undergo considerable modification at considerable expense. With U.S. rules more in-tune with Euro standards, that’s no longer the case so not only will the cars be less expensive, they will also be more energy efficient. In theory that should lead to lower ticket prices, and as far as collisions are concerned, Euro and Asian trains are said to have better safety records for the reasons mentioned above. It all sounds like a win-win.

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This is very exciting. The railcar safety standards of most major western European countries are at least equivalent to ours. By not having to completely redesign a railcar for the US market, I believe that we will be able to have some great Diesel DMUs and Electric passenger sets in the US.

The DMU issue is most exciting, since in many cases it's less expensive to run a DMU than a loco hauled set. This could lead to new opportunities for commuter rail.

This is interesting.  Thanks for posting it, Breezinup.

Personally, I am a skeptic, but will work to keep an open mind.

A sign of validation would be to see the Denton County Transit Authority allow the short line which switches industries connected to DCTA's track to operate during the hours that DCTA's "A-Train" Swiss-built Stadler DMU's are running.  Currently, the short line is restricted to operating after the commuter trains have stopped running for the night, and must be off the track by early morning when the DMU's begin their day's activity.

JohnActon posted:

Yea ! the trade deficit just got bigger. Fifty years ago the national debt was what we owed our self, today it's what we owe the world and we just keep writing more IOUs.  Anyone on the forum ever read Marx's London essays ?  Hint, hint, he was a big proponent of Free Trade.   j 

Leaving out the political rant, this won't change the trade balance since as the article states, railcars aren't built in the US any more, most of the railcars you see on Amtrak or Commuter rail lines were made by foreign manufacturers, either made overseas or as with local rules, parts made overseas and assembled here (happens with NYC subway cars and metro north units), all this means is if they buy them from overseas, it will cost less then it does today and also will allow more competition, too, since an overseas manufacturer today would have to be willing to modify them, or pay someone else to do it.   Sad part is, there is no reason cars couldn't be built here, it isn't because of cheaper labor costs, the real reason is that trains are a major transportation method in Europe, so there is a reason to have companies producing new trains, just isn't enough business in the US to justify building cars and engines here I guess (talking passenger, not freight). 

mikey posted:

Just to clarify Siemens manufactures Rapid Transit Trains in Sacramento,Ca.A German Company building here in the US using American Labor.

Mikey

Alstom also makes trains in the USA, see article.

Siemens and Alstom makes trains for use around the world.  The interesting thing to me is that from their point of view they can streamline product offerings since the regulations line up.  It would be great to some of the more interesting euro designs here, I especially like the Alstom Concordia platform.  

Despite all this, the USA isn't laid out like Europe, and Americans outside of major cities don't care for making multiple changes to get were they are going.  Rail service here will not be on par with European offerings in the foreseeable future, but improvements would be welcome.  Remember only a select group of Amtrak rails exceeds or nears 100 mph speed limits today, while in the days of steam and better infrastructure many more routes hit 100 regularly.

jhz563 posted:
mikey posted:

Just to clarify Siemens manufactures Rapid Transit Trains in Sacramento,Ca.A German Company building here in the US using American Labor.

Mikey

Alstom also makes trains in the USA, see article.

Siemens and Alstom makes trains for use around the world.  The interesting thing to me is that from their point of view they can streamline product offerings since the regulations line up.  It would be great to some of the more interesting euro designs here, I especially like the Alstom Concordia platform.  

Despite all this, the USA isn't laid out like Europe, and Americans outside of major cities don't care for making multiple changes to get were they are going.  Rail service here will not be on par with European offerings in the foreseeable future, but improvements would be welcome.  Remember only a select group of Amtrak rails exceeds or nears 100 mph speed limits today, while in the days of steam and better infrastructure many more routes hit 100 regularly.

Yes, they do, often contracts specify that the trains are to be built locally (it is often but not always foreign components assembled locally). The real benefit of this is not having to customize the units to meet the diverging US regulations, there was something similar when the US adopted things like catalytic converters and other safety rules before Europe did, it meant that to sell cars here foreign companies had to do a lot of work to sell them here (given the size of the market, it was worth it obviously). That customization is expensive, pure and simple. 

It likely will mean in theory that more foreign companies could potentially compete for contracts, and that obviously is good in terms of both price and quality. The real question is if the size of the market is such that with the decreased cost of US cert that it will pay for more makers to bid on contracts, or will it still go to a couple of the bigger firms like Alstom and Siemens with the same problems as today,hard to say.

 

There is a market for train service in this country, there is no doubt about that, the real problem is that the system we have in place is a patchwork mess. Would high speed rail work on certain corridors, actually compete or be more efficient than air travel? More than likely, yes, based on what we have seen elsewhere in the world, but it also requires a lot of foresight and planning, something the US is not great at. Commuter rail likewise can help with the traffic that is choking a lot of cities and big towns in this country, problem is that the will still isn't there for it, we still hear how car travel is better, spend a fortune building and maintaining new roads, but in the end the traffic gets worse and worse (try travelling in places like Atlanta and Houston during rush hour, which I have had the misfortune to do, as bad or worse than the cross bronx expressway). The standard response from the pro car crowd is expand roads, build new ones, but they get choked almost as soon as they open. Like most things, there is a happy medium someplace in terms of travel, where you apply the right solutions to the right situations, but generally to quote Mr. Churchill, Americans generally end up doing the right thing, but only after trying everything else

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