Hey Everyone! Just posted a blog episode reviewing my "New to Me" New York Central 21" O-Scale Passenger Cars by K-Line. Enjoy!
- Jason
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Great video my friend! Thanks for sharing.
Great cars!
@jdstucks posted:Hey Everyone! Just posted a blog episode reviewing my "New to Me" New York Central 21" O-Scale Passenger Cars by K-Line. Enjoy!
- Jason
Nice cars. Nice track work, too. I have Santa Fe and Milwaukee Road in my fleet.
K-Line factory made the power pick up pivot pin out of aluminum. The pin oxidizes and aluminum oxide is an insulator. That makes the current for the lighting go through the spring, overheats the spring, and the spring loses its temper. Then that pickup becomes flaccid and does not contact the center rail correctly.
One of the Jim Barrett videos shows how to use super flex wire to jumper around the pivot on the center rail pickups. I do that to all of my K-Line streamlined aluminum cars before running them.
If you look at the one car whose lights blink going over the switches, you may find that one pickup has a bad spring. The danger is that the others will go bad soon, once they have enough track time at 18 volts on them.
Beautiful set Jason. The Atlas track is really nice as well. Wait until you have it ballasted and weathered!
Now that is one gorgeous set! I love NYC stuff and have been a subscriber to your YouTube channel for a while. Always wished you went with more transition era NYC stuff as your layout has always been awesome and this one looks like it will shape up to be another fantastic showpiece.
Great video and consist, Jason.......enjoy!!!!
Peter
Nicely done. I have the K-Line PRR set and like yours are really nice looking cars. I run them with GGD cars for a longer train and it is hard to tell the difference between the makes.
I checked your YouTube channel and you have done some really good videos. However, I could not find any mentioned of the diesels. Who made them? Thanks.
Absolutely gorgeous.
Congrats!
- Mario
I'll have to tune in soon Jason. I think I have a few videos of yours in my watch later videos along with tons of other stuff. I have browsed a few times over K-Line NYC cars as well as a few others. Haven't bitten on anything yet, just considering stuff as it were.
@CAPPilot posted:Nicely done. I have the K-Line PRR set and like yours are really nice looking cars. I run them with GGD cars for a longer train and it is hard to tell the difference between the makes.
I checked your YouTube channel and you have done some really good videos. However, I could not find any mentioned of the diesels. Who made them? Thanks.
Glad you enjoy my videos. The diesels are made by MTH. I believe they hit dealer shelves in October 2019.
- Jason
@Jedderbob posted:Now that is one gorgeous set! I love NYC stuff and have been a subscriber to your YouTube channel for a while. Always wished you went with more transition era NYC stuff as your layout has always been awesome and this one looks like it will shape up to be another fantastic showpiece.
Thanks for subscribing. My era for this layout will primarily be 1995-2015 Conrail era to NS transition. But I also have a growing passion for NYC 40's and 50's and hope to add more in the near future. However, I still don't have a strong desire to model PC to Conrail transition. But who knows, tastes change 
- Jason
@jdstucks posted:Hey Everyone! Just posted a blog episode reviewing my "New to Me" New York Central 21" O-Scale Passenger Cars by K-Line. Enjoy!
- Jason
Great video Jason. Those cars are truly stunning. Can't wait to see them behind the PT tender Hudson 
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Awesome cars Jason!! They really are something special! Enjoy!
Nicely done Jason. These are indeed fine cars. Too bad K-Line only made 6. They have also done fine F7s and E8s. E8s would be most appropriate for the 20th Century in this paint scheme as steam had been phased out by then on the big name trains. Sometime, if you have not seen it already, watch Alfred Hitchcock’s North by Northwest or just google North by Northwest train to see actual photos of the Century.
Pete
Thank you for posting - loved it 👍🏼
As Norton stated, only 6 cars were made for the 20th Century Limited. The K-Line Legacy web site shows up to 17 cars* made for the Empire State Express (I like those silver cars). If you are into NYC trains, this could be your next acquisition goal.
*Two 4-car sets, one 6-car set, and one 3-car set.
To lengthen my train I added two more K-Line cars, duplicates that I will change the number on, plus some GGD heavyweight head end cars. Lionel has done the cars in plastic but even if the paint matches their cars are lower and narrower than K-Line cars. The size difference stands out like a sore thumb unfortunately. GGD has done them too, very nice cars.
Pete
Jason,
If you are interested, lengthening your 20th Century Limited can also be done by adding trans-continental cars from other roads. I know cars from the SF were on the Limited, and the Golden State had a NYC car but not sure which NYC train it was coupled with. I run PRR passenger trains, and I have found 21" cars from other roads made by Lionel, K-Line and GGD that were correct to run on my PRR trains. I'm sure there are some that will fit nicely (and be correct) with your set.
Great video of some nice K-Line cars.
I recently reviewed the drawings for the latest offering of the GGD 1948 20th Century Limited. I learned a lot about the train doing research. The Creek series observation car is the most iconographic car in the set with its large rear windows, but I found the combination of the various sleeping accommodations interesting as well as the setup of twin unit diner with the kitchen and crew dorms and the other car having all the tables.
A set of the K-Line E8s would be prototypically correct to pull the train if you can track a set down. E7s were originally assigned to it and have been done by Lionel and 3rd Rail in the 1948 scheme.
Jason, great video. Sorry it took me a bit to get this watched. Did so last night before heading to bed, well worth waking up slightly tired this morning.
@jdstucks posted:Hey Everyone! Just posted a blog episode reviewing my "New to Me" New York Central 21" O-Scale Passenger Cars by K-Line. Enjoy!
- Jason
These are awesome, Kline had some great stuff. I have been looking for these for a while. I got the New NYC Hudson and PT tender I wanted to put these behind. Can you post the Kline product number so I can hopefully find them someday!
Thanks!
Great video Jason. K-line was making some superb stuff towards the end of its run, especially some of the passenger sets. I knew I would never have a layout to run the 21" cars but I would ahve loved a set of the 15" 20th Century Limited cars.
@Sean's Train Depot posted:These are awesome, Kline had some great stuff. I have been looking for these for a while. I got the New NYC Hudson and PT tender I wanted to put these behind. Can you post the Kline product number so I can hopefully find them someday!
Thanks!
Sean, do you mean the Lionel Hudson with the PT Tender or did Kline produce one that I'm not familiar with? Just tried searching and came up empty.
@Dave NYC Hudson PRR K4 posted:Sean, do you mean the Lionel Hudson with the PT Tender or did Kline produce one that I'm not familiar with? Just tried searching and came up empty.
The Hudson's Lionel came out with in their 2019 catalog. Mine is the 1931460. I think this would of pulled Heavyweight cars originally, but love those streamlined Kline ones.
jason has one of the finest youtube channels out there.and that is not ment as a slight to anyone else.thanks too all the content creators.hey jason did you pre order the BNSF coal train set?
@kranky posted:jason has one of the finest youtube channels out there.and that is not ment as a slight to anyone else.thanks too all the content creators.hey jason did you pre order the BNSF coal train set?
I greatly appreciate the kind words. I did not order that BNSF coal train set. But I am still buying more Lionel coal cars haha.
- Jason
@Sean's Train Depot posted:The Hudson's Lionel came out with in their 2019 catalog. Mine is the 1931460. I think this would of pulled Heavyweight cars originally, but love those streamlined Kline ones.
I have that one as well as Mr. Muffin's, and the others in the catalog with the exception of 5405. It could be possible they ran other cars than heavyweights, just have to ask the right folks. I actually was thinking of asking a passenger car question, just have been busy.
@Dave NYC Hudson PRR K4 posted:I have that one as well as Mr. Muffin's, and the others in the catalog with the exception of 5405. It could be possible they ran other cars than heavyweights, just have to ask the right folks. I actually was thinking of asking a passenger car question, just have been busy.
Steam continued to pull passenger trains just about until the end. There are dozens of videos on youtube that show this. Its mainly the big name trains that went to diesel right after WWII. A passenger train pulled by steam would likely have cars from many different eras, green and TT Gray heavyweights, stainless and TT Gray streamliners like the K-Lines. Few if any trains by the ‘50s had a train of uniform passenger car types and color.
Pete
@Norton posted:Steam continued to pull passenger trains just about until the end. There are dozens of videos on youtube that show this. Its mainly the big name trains that went to diesel right after WWII. A passenger train pulled by steam would likely have cars from many different eras, green and TT Gray heavyweights, stainless and TT Gray streamliners like the K-Lines. Few if any trains by the ‘50s had a train of uniform passenger car types and color.
Pete
Thanks Pete.
@Sean's Train Depot posted:The Hudson's Lionel came out with in their 2019 catalog. Mine is the 1931460. I think this would of pulled Heavyweight cars originally, but love those streamlined Kline ones.
By the end of WWII, a lot of NYC steam had lost almost all of its streamlining sheet metal. As streamline shrouds were either damaged or removed for shoppings, they did not get put back on…..this is clearly evident in historical photos of the Central, especially right after the war when traffic became less & less, and the railroad sought to cut costs as much as possible,….no budget for fancy clothes,….so it would not be uncommon to see an unshrouded Hudson on the front of a streamlined set…..remember, Niagaras were the minority, far outnumbered by Hudsons, so even though the Niagaras pulled the named trains, Hudsons were still used to “ fill in the ranks” ……so pulling a string of streamlined cars with a non-streamlined Hudson is not wrong,……have fun!…
Pat
excuse my ignorance.what is a PT tender.can someone send a picture?I own 2 hudsons.an mth dreyfuss 20-1045 and a k-line 5343cc.would love to learn more about the whole hudson family
@kranky posted:excuse my ignorance.what is a PT tender.can someone send a picture?I own 2 hudsons.an mth dreyfuss 20-1045 and a k-line 5343cc.would love to learn more about the whole hudson family
PT is a longer tender and IIRC means Passenger Tender. Some other more knowledgeable folks can state fact to my statement.
@kranky posted:excuse my ignorance.what is a PT tender.can someone send a picture?I own 2 hudsons.an mth dreyfuss 20-1045 and a k-line 5343cc.would love to learn more about the whole hudson family
Detailed information about NYC's PT's can be found at the site below.
https://nycshs.files.wordpress...14/07/pt-tenders.pdf
Regards,
C.J.
PT: in NYC land stands for Passenger Tender, not Pedestal Tender as some think. ……PT tenders were designed to hold more coal, thus eliminating the needs for extra stops to refuel,…refueling coal was the time bandit,….water could be scooped on the fly, so the train didn’t have to stop to take on water. Pictured below: Hudson 5344 post Mercury service, with PT tender, roller bearing rods,…
Pat 
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One thing to consider when looking for motive power for the cars Jason’s thread is about, remember Jason, the 20th Century was the Central's Premier passenger train. Just as the Santa Fe had the Super Chief, UP had the City of LA, the mixed road Zephyr. When you saw advertising for these these trains or a movie with these trains in them after the war they were all headed up by the latest and greatest motive power of the time, typically some EMD Diesel.
Just as today when many want the latest and greatest, new advanced technology sells.
Well, except for us luddites.
Pete
@harmonyards posted:PT: in NYC land stands for Passenger Tender, not Pedestal Tender as some think. ……PT tenders were designed to hold more coal, thus eliminating the needs for extra stops to refuel,…refueling coal was the time bandit,….water could be scooped on the fly, so the train didn’t have to stop to take on water. Pictured below: Hudson 5344 post Mercury service, with PT tender, roller bearing rods,…
Pat
That is one heck(and by heck, I mean the other word) of an engine. Always wondered if the Mercury had a shrouded Hudson after the Shrouded Pacific had been the engine to pull it?
@Norton posted:One thing to consider when looking for motive power for the cars Jason’s thread is about, remember Jason, the 20th Century was the Central's Premier passenger train. Just as the Santa Fe had the Super Chief, UP had the City of LA, the mixed road Zephyr. When you saw advertising for these these trains or a movie with these trains in them after the war they were all headed up by the latest and greatest motive power of the time, typically some EMD Diesel.
Just as today when many want the latest and greatest, new advanced technology sells.Well, except for us luddites.
Pete
Maybe our steamers that are supposed to be letting the diesels run those trains have some of Doc Brown's special fire logs from Back to the Future 3. Just hope the boiler can handle those red logs!
@Dave NYC Hudson PRR K4 posted:That is one heck(and by heck, I mean the other word) of an engine. Always wondered if the Mercury had a shrouded Hudson after the Shrouded Pacific had been the engine to pull it?
Maybe our steamers that are supposed to be letting the diesels run those trains have some of Doc Brown's special fire logs from Back to the Future 3. Just hope the boiler can handle those red logs!
Yes, 5344 bumped a shrouded Pacific on the Chicago-Detroit leg of the Mercury,….two things to note,…only in Vanderbilt dress did 5344 pull the “Century “ on some occasions, …5344 never pulled the Century in her last dress of Dreyfuss streamlining,….that was strictly Mercury service, where ironically, she shared Mercury service with former Empire State Express star Hudson # 5426…
Pat
@Dave NYC Hudson PRR K4 posted:That is one heck(and by heck, I mean the other word) of an engine. Always wondered if the Mercury had a shrouded Hudson after the Shrouded Pacific had been the engine to pull it?
Maybe our steamers that are supposed to be letting the diesels run those trains have some of Doc Brown's special fire logs from Back to the Future 3. Just hope the boiler can handle those red logs!
Well the Niagaras didn’t need those logs. Their horsepower matched three E8s. Not so much on tractive effort though. Maybe with some MTH traction tires they could have.
Pete
