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Many or most of you Niagara Folk already know this minutiae, but here it is anyway.

The Niagara had very few changes during its brief time on this earth. Didn't need many, certainly. Most of us have noted the change in headlight from single-bulb to the twin-beam modern type, added later. #6000, the first, also had a sightly different trailing truck and smoke deflectors, and some internal differences.

Headlights aside, I noted that Lionel modeled their loco after the "as built" iteration, and MTH modeled theirs after the later version.

Here is my Vision Line Niagara. Just opened it a couple of days ago. I do know that many do not like, or even understand, the Pilot versions of locomotives, but, apparently there are enough of us who do that Lionel keeps offering them. I still need the PRR S-1 6-4-4-6 in a Pilot; it looks like a spaceship, anyway. But, I digress.

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Lionel - the original Niagara generator/dynamo location:

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MTH - it's gone (I see a difference in details and the power reverse, upper right - did NYC change these, too? Must look in the Niagara book.)

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MTH - dynamo now on fireman's side above the drivers; less chance of ice/snow/water/grime getting in the turbine and the wiring:

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Lionel - note the brass bell just under the pilot way down at track level; original location:

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MTH - bell now in a hanger above the valve gear on engineer's side. I read that the original location allowed the bell to become full of ice and muck and the clapper couldn't move:

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Very important stuff, this.

The original dynamo/bell locations sort of surprise me - seems like common sense to get them up and out of the way of the track-level grime, ice and so on.

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hokie71 posted:

Always interesting to read these insights. I hate to ask the question but I did not find an answer by using the G search (it thinks a pilot is a cow catcher), what is a Pilot version? 

I assume some original prototype ...…..?   Thanks!

Pilot models are made to determine to check fit, form and function and if any changes are needed before production begins.

Lionel's Pilot Versions are faux pilot models, simply unpainted versions of the production models.  Just another way to sell a model.

Rusty

PJB: Why the heck would anyone mount a bell anywhere other than on top?  

A: Clearances. Niagaras were as wide and tall as locomotives could be on the NYC, especially after their original 75" drivers were replaced with 79" drivers. They had to fit under the catenary at Cleveland Union Terminal. With no room on top, bells were placed behind the pilots. Then they were moved, as posted above.

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ReadingFan posted:

Sand domes were low, too. They look normal from the side. But a top view reveals the difference. Auxiliary sandboxes were fastened to studs on the boilers beneath each running board. Image result for New York Central Niagara Images

Is that a photo from your layout?  Or of the real thing?  If your layout, it OS amazing! 

Obviously that photo is the REAL THING, as there is no 3rd rail, and that is real steam coming out of the locomotive in the background. 

 

Rusty Traque posted:
hokie71 posted:

Always interesting to read these insights. I hate to ask the question but I did not find an answer by using the G search (it thinks a pilot is a cow catcher), what is a Pilot version? 

I assume some original prototype ...…..?   Thanks!

Pilot models are made to determine to check fit, form and function and if any changes are needed before production begins.

Lionel's Pilot Versions are faux pilot models, simply unpainted versions of the production models.  Just another way to sell a model.

Rusty

A more accurate reply would be that the Lionel Pilot and MTH Engineering models are essentially unpainted production models. The Lionel units are actually painted with a clear coat; the MTH Engineering models (I have 1 - a French Chapelon 2-3-1) do not appear to have any coating at all. The model maker in me (no, I can't do this kind of work) finds the model itself fascinating as well as the real thing; when I look at these Pilots, I often have more the model's construction in mind, unsullied by paint, than that of the real thing, the above photos and comments notwithstanding. 

Yes, they could be considered "faux Pilots" and "faux Engineering Versions" and  "just another way to sell a model" - what's your point? Aren't they all "just another way to sell a model"?

don't keep showing this stuff! I already have one Niagara and want more. A Mohawk would also fit in nicely. Then I'll have to study all that NYC ran on each sub.

I'm not so picky about where the details are, as built, in service, etc. I'm happy that they add them on at all. We agreed that I just have too much stuff.

Unpainted models would only add to the collection dilemma.

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Hot Water posted:
PJB posted:
ReadingFan posted:

Sand domes were low, too. They look normal from the side. But a top view reveals the difference. Auxiliary sandboxes were fastened to studs on the boilers beneath each running board. Image result for New York Central Niagara Images

Is that a photo from your layout?  Or of the real thing?  If your layout, it OS amazing! 

Obviously that photo is the REAL THING, as there is no 3rd rail, and that is real steam coming out of the locomotive in the background. 

 

Well, I do believe there is a thing called 2-rail O scale?  

And, good eye - I didn't see the steam on the one in the background - maybe because I was looking at it on my phone earlier.  

PJB posted:
Hot Water posted:
PJB posted:
ReadingFan posted:

Sand domes were low, too. They look normal from the side. But a top view reveals the difference. Auxiliary sandboxes were fastened to studs on the boilers beneath each running board. Image result for New York Central Niagara Images

Is that a photo from your layout?  Or of the real thing?  If your layout, it OS amazing! 

Obviously that photo is the REAL THING, as there is no 3rd rail, and that is real steam coming out of the locomotive in the background. 

Well, I do believe there is a thing called 2-rail O scale?  

And even 2-Rail O SCALE does not have THAT level of detail! Plus, did you note the unpainted cylinder head cover, which actually looks like masking paper?

And, good eye - I didn't see the steam on the one in the background - maybe because I was looking at it on my phone earlier.  

 

Hot Water posted:
PJB posted:
Hot Water posted:
PJB posted:
ReadingFan posted:

Sand domes were low, too. They look normal from the side. But a top view reveals the difference. Auxiliary sandboxes were fastened to studs on the boilers beneath each running board. Image result for New York Central Niagara Images

Is that a photo from your layout?  Or of the real thing?  If your layout, it OS amazing! 

Obviously that photo is the REAL THING, as there is no 3rd rail, and that is real steam coming out of the locomotive in the background. 

Well, I do believe there is a thing called 2-rail O scale?  

And even 2-Rail O SCALE does not have THAT level of detail! Plus, did you note the unpainted cylinder head cover, which actually looks like masking paper?

And, good eye - I didn't see the steam on the one in the background - maybe because I was looking at it on my phone earlier.  

 

Gonna start calling you eagle eye...    

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