Has anyone been to Nicholas Smith Trains lately? I stopped on Saturday to get a simple part for a Lionel Starter set loco and none of the 3 employees present could help. As a matter of fact none of the 3 employees seemed to know anything about model trains. They also told me that they weren't doing repairs due to the upcoming holidays - seriously? The holidays are prime time for repairs! No familiar faces. It shook me up a bit to think that one of the best train stores around seems to be on the downward slide. Anyone experience this lately? Just curious....
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I know that our local shop implemented a limited repair policy starting in December. In other words, now is the high season where people get trains out and often do need repairs, but the problem we faced was that this demand can be so overwhelming that more or less a cutoff date had to be established. Especially given a situation where the part required was not on hand and had to reach out- between the shipping delays and then the actual repair work and testing once parts came in, we could no longer be sure to get it to the customer by Christmas. Even then, we try our best to help and as an example, last year, a Polar Express came in just days before Christmas. It had broken and jammed the typical eccentric crank and linkage from running it loose and out of position. We sadly had exhausted all local supply of that part (even parting out engines was not an option) and so clipping the rivet on the semi mangled eccentric and ensuring it was good and tight allowed the engine to run just fine- missing only a single linkage.
Given the recent removal of older Legacy and TMCC parts from Lionel, I suspect this is going to be a brutal repair season with a lot of unhappy folks and high repair bills if you can even get the parts.
Again, the local shop puts up a sign and has extended the opening hours because this is kind of the beginning of the season. That same sign is kind of telling customers, bring it in now, sooner than later for repair to maximize chances of getting the parts and getting it back in time.
It is a very different store these days. There has been a lot of turnover. I no longer shop there, and I have given them a lot of business over the years.
Sad to hear, I don't live in the area so I've never been to their store location. Since NS is a OGF supporter I have bought online several times and the time I received a defective Lionel engine they replaced it immediately.
-Mike in NC,
They don't do the repairs themselves, they are sent off to repair, maybe they are overwhelmed with things to repair this time of year and don't want to disappoint people when they don't get it back in time for Christmas
Living nearly three thousand miles away from NS Trains, my business with them is strictly mail order. That said, they have been 100% excellent with items I have purchased from them in that manner. My two cents…
I have purchased many locomotives from them and will continue to do so. My MTH GP-35 PRR PS3 road number 2265 arrives Wednesday after ordering on Saturday.
I live in NE Pennsylvania. While I usually do most of my spending at Grzyboski’s, for some items (Atlas, scenic material, etc.) I’ve made numerous purchases from Nicholas Smith. I’ve found them to be very reliable, ship quickly, and I’m sure I’ll use them again. I hope they continue to have a long storied history!!!
I hope your experience was an aberration. I'm a long time, very happy, loyal customer ... online and in-store ... though I don't buy as much train items as other folks.
I very recently ordered two Atlas cars, and I thought I was speaking with Andy.
I have ordered online from them, no issues. They also clearly note in their advertisements in OGR that the engines being sold on sale are without warranty, since Lionel does not honor fixing older engines that are still new stock but built a few years ago, so that is much appreciated.
I think itis a bit unfair to trash them in this manner. it is a sign of the times regarding getting people to work in retail stores, especially in an area that requires technical expertise. Sales staff are often dealing with difficult, demanding, or rude customers. Then you get the people that "forget" to pay. Cost of living is going up, which makes finding staff difficult. So, welcome the new staff. As long as they know how to ring up an order, I am good to go.
If looking for parts, it may be wise to call ahead to see if the parts department is staffed
On the technical side, my less than 10-year-old built in electric oven stopped working, probably used only once a week, I think maybe a fuse went out. Had a repair guy come out, he did not know how to remove the oven from the wall to fix it. I forgot how much the home visit cost me, but it was over $100. It was a Sears Elite, I elected to just buy a new one., rather than try another repair person. This may be an example of built-in obsolescence, which just goes to fill a land fill.
My local train store only repairs items that were bought at the store, that are still under warranty. There was a time that they accepted walk in repairs, but that was a long time ago.
Not "Trashing" them. I've been a loyal customer for over 30 years - grew up local to them. I've known Chris Ganz for years. My point was that it seems like Chris is gone and there are no longer any folks there with knowledge of the product. I wasn't looking for service I was looking for a part that I have purchased there in the past and couldn't purchase because all I got were blank stares when I asked about it. I just wanted to see if anyone else who frequents the store have had similar experiences. As I said I've been a loyal "walk in" customer for many years and I'm hoping I'm wrong but things dont seem the same.
I've had that same experience at numerous brick and mortar train shops over the past several years, including Nicholas Smith. You combine low wages, a lack of training, and staff with little or no incentive to improve and this is what you get.
It seems to be happening everywhere, not just train shops. I remember when I could go to Lowes or Home Depot and regardless of the aisle/department there was always a subject matter expert or two available. Those days are long gone. My local Ace is the exception. They do it the old fashioned way. Yes, prices are a bit higher but the place is always busy because staff is friendly, willingly gives advice, and folks in every section are very knowledgeable.
-Greg
Yeah, I didn’t think you were. I believe you made an observation of your experience that didn’t stack up to your previous visits. It was corroborated by @TheRambles. Hopefully someone from NST reads this and can make adjustments in order to improve customer service.
I have had the same experience as some others. I have been dealing with Chris and crew for 30 plus years and now I find no pleasure in stopping there anymore, its a real shame. I drive right past it on my way to another shop. The inventory may not be as large but I buy mostly newer stuff anyway and the other shops can order that just the same. I never saw this coming but I guess its a sign of the times.
Search the forum for old threads from back in the day when Chris was still working in the shop. It was like night and day between when he was on site and when he wasn't. I wish I could remember the name of the long time employee who passed away within the last year or so - I had some great conversations with her over the years.
About a decade or so ago a fellow forumite posted about his attempts to buy a GGD Coaling Tower which was listed in stock but no one at the shop could find it. I had just happened to be at the shop a week or so prior to the posting and remembered said tower since I almost purchased it myself. As a favor, I went to the shop that weekend and sure enough the coaling tower was in the same spot not 20 feet from the register. I picked it up, called him on the phone, walked to the counter, placed the tower on the counter and said "here, take my phone, the person on the other end wants to buy this".
So to the OP's point, stuff like he just experienced is nothing new, it's just more frequent.
-Greg
@Greg Houser posted:I've had that same experience at numerous brick and mortar train shops over the past several years, including Nicholas Smith. You combine low wages, a lack of training, and staff with little or no incentive to improve and this is what you get.
It seems to be happening everywhere, not just train shops. I remember when I could go to Lowes or Home Depot and regardless of the aisle/department there was always a subject matter expert or two available. Those days are long gone. My local Ace is the exception. They do it the old fashioned way. Yes, prices are a bit higher but the place is always busy because staff is friendly, willingly gives advice, and folks in every section are very knowledgeable.
-Greg
Home Depot once upon a time was known for having knowledgeable people working there, lot of trade people worked there as a retirement job, Lowes was the same originally. Home Depot under a jerk of a CEO lost a lot of those people , and it never really has recovered; the local Lowes has few people like that now, same with HD. I shop a local hardware store for that very reason, they don't always have what I need, but they know what they are talking about, have gotten a lot of really good advice from them.
It is sad it is hitting local train stores (and obviously, one post about one store doesn't mean all) but not surprised. The ones still left are likely concentrating on new train sales and internet business, and service requires trained people and they likely are not going to work cheap, so the store is in a bind, if the cost of service is that high people won't bother I suspect and the owner will take the heat. (You really want to have a laugh? Get a high end appliance like Bosch..there repair starts at like 160 bucks to show up, and then it is like 60 bucks every 15 minutes). I had a Bosch dishwasher that fortunately the service guy never showed up, I replaced it. The water heater in it went, and it would have cost more to fix than to replace it with a new one *shrug*.
The answer to good service? Clone GRR's brain, make a lot of copies, and put them in android bodies.....
I've made a couple online purchases from them the last year or 2 with no issues. I have never been to the store or sought out any repairs through them so I cannot speak to that.
Brad
@Greg Houser posted:... I wish I could remember the name of the long time employee who passed away within the last year or so - I had some great conversations with her over the years. ...
Lynn? Yea, she died a couple years ago. She was so nice.
@texgeekboy posted:Yeah, I didn’t think you were. I believe you made an observation of your experience that didn’t stack up to your previous visits. It was corroborated by @TheRambles. Hopefully someone from NST reads this and can make adjustments in order to improve customer service.
Thank you for posting this. I should clarify my earlier point. I will continue to shop there, but not nearly as much, and I no longer place my pre-orders with them.
I want to elaborate on my experience because I truly hope they can turn things around in the event staff at Nick Smiths does read this.
Many issues are forgivable. For one, I understand it's a challenging environment to hire people - that's everywhere. I don't typically rely on the staff's knowledge because I generally know what I am looking at/for. (Come to think of it, I learned much of what I know from the staff at Nick Smith's). Servicing trains is a related issue. I can only imagine how difficult it is to find someone to service trains at a cost that makes any sense economically. Perhaps, that's why MTH no longer repairs their trains.
I generally try to support all the brick-and-mortar hobby stores in the area because there is nothing like the experience of seeing the model you'd like to purchase before doing so or the odd discovery of that impossible-to-find item not listed online. This experience is generally not possible through the internet. In short, physical train stores are an excellent resource for us, and it's ok if they're not the pinnacle of customer service – We've all been to a store where some grump behind the counter looks bothered by our mere presence, and we always go back because...trains.
That said, Nick Smith lost me when I was concerned about a pre-order and could not get any answers. As a result, I purchased the item elsewhere at a higher price because I was not confident a pre-order was ever placed. We all know how important pre-orders are in the BTO environment. I saw the item come into other retailers and, after some time, tried to request a simple update. When I called, I was either quickly dismissed or once I was placed on hold for more than 30 minutes. My emails went unanswered. I even submitted communications through their website and was never contacted. Ultimately, they did have the item for me, which is great, but it was unclear whether they had to cancel someone else's pre-order to get me it. This made me uncomfortable. I was prepared to pay for the pre-order, but they said they wouldn't have any issue selling it.
With other questions and previous employees, I used to be able to send an email and would hear back with updates within a few days. I'd often receive just one-word responses, which was enough for me. All of a sudden, they stopped responding to my emails.
The second issue concerns custom runs. Nick Smith was the BEST for custom runs. The runs took a good store and made it great. I'd usually get something from each run because they'd make what I model. However, that program seems to have come to an end. This may have to do with the larger minimums required by the manufacturers, but there doesn't seem to be an appetite for it, even if the enhanced minimums weren't the case.
I wish the crew there all the best, and I hope things turn around. If you buy an item online and they have it in stock, you shouldn't have any issues; however, if you do have issues try calling and asking for a manager rather than emailing. I have a few pre-orders left with them, and I am happy to report that I expect them to come in even if later than other stores. If you shop there in person, I would expect long wait times at the checkout and a staff that is not particularly well-versed in the hobby, but it could be worth it because they also have the largest selection in the area and decent prices. Plus, the toy store downstairs is really cool and well-run. Don't even get me started about how good the pizza is at the shop they share a lot with.
Please tell me if you think I am being unreasonable. I am happy to receive the feedback.
Just curious about your pre-order issue. Whenever I've placed a pre-order with a retailer, I've always received an e-mail follow-up from the store in a day or two, confirming that that my pre-order was received - much like a receipt.
Does NS not do this ?
@Richie C. posted:Just curious about your pre-order issue. Whenever I've placed a pre-order with a retailer, I've always received an e-mail follow-up from the store in a day or two, confirming that that my pre-order was received - much like a receipt.
Does NS not do this ?
They used to, with recent staffing changed I will also say emails go unanswered. After speaking with an employee in regard to this, I was told if I emailed him directly, I would get a response. This was not the case. When Chris and Joey were running the show, this store was top notch!
@Richie C. posted:Just curious about your pre-order issue. Whenever I've placed a pre-order with a retailer, I've always received an e-mail follow-up from the store in a day or two, confirming that that my pre-order was received - much like a receipt.
Does NS not do this ?
I had a physical receipt, but there was a question about whether they ordered enough to fulfill all their orders. I believe this is rectified and had more to do with some of their staff turnovers.
My issue really stemmed from them not responding to my emails.
My emails this year have all been promptly answered by Joey. I picked up an order in August, ordered online, and had no problems, but I've never pre-ordered anything. There was a long line at the cashier, but folks were asking many questions, so it was expected. I'm about a 40-minute drive, and my grandkids love to visit upstairs and down, so I'm glad they are still in business.
Apparently Chris and Joey are no longer there.
@CNJ Jim posted:I received an email concerning an order from Nicholas Smith this past October 26, it was signed by "Joey."
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I am skeptical (Don’t get my hopes up). If he added “Joey” as a signature, that’d be a 100% increase in the number of words he typically used. Haha. Was Joey listed in the email name like in this screenshot.
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I frequented NS some years ago, when working at Malvern and NS was convenient. Now, I frequent Henning's, closer to home. Both shops are excellent and need to be supported as much as possible, as there seem to be fewer and fewer of them. I suggest having patience. LHS perform a vital, personal service that is much needed.
Mark
Bottom line: if you have a reliable, knowledgeable and helpful local train shop, treasure it and support it even if things cost more than mail order.
Chris and Joey were honest and treated their customers wonderfully. Nicholas Smith today is not the Nicholas Smith of the past. New Ownership New Philosophy. Joey was someone I enjoyed talking to, also informative and hilarious to boot.
I have purchased a number of trains from Nicholas Smith over the years. First class dealer. I knew that Joey had left a while back. Great guy. Can someone please confirm that Chris sold Nicholas Smith? I did a quick Google search, and from what I could find, he is still listed as the owner. Thanks.
Pat
Chris' kids run it now I believe
Your story about hardware stores is the same as mine. When I moved into the area in '92 the gang told me to shop at this small hardware store. The owner knew everything. They were so right. His prices were higher, but when I described something I needed in less than stellar detail, he always got me the right part. He seemed to have everything in a small place. Fast forward 20 years, and he retires and his son takes over. He's good, but not as good. I checked out a nearby Ace Hardware, and all the workers there were older guys, and they had pretty good knowledge too. So I have 2 stores to go to. I never go to any of the big box stores.
Customer service is the key to keeping customers coming back again and again. I hope NST will go back to its glory days.
I have not been to Nicholas Smith in a year with gas prices rasing. I pass hennings every day for work so I have been going there for my train stuff lately. I was planning on going to N.S. in the next couple of weeks.
I know Chris had also owned the speed shop next door but that is now closed. I also heard he was looking to sell. I hope joey did not leave. Many long conversations with both of them and great people to work with.
I was so frequent that I was allowed in the back where all the brown boxes were. It was like Santa's work shop. Lol. Well I guess Ill find out first hand in a week or so. Fingers crossed.
This is sad to hear. I practically grew up in this hobby at Nicholas Smith Trains.
From the days Chris would let me forage through the store warehouse to find something interesting, he always found a way to sell me something. And at great prices. Chris hasn’t been at the store very often the past ten to fifteen years or so. I’ve heard recently that he’s been having health issues.
It seemed Joey was in line to take over running the store and he was great to talk with and he knew his stuff about trains. He also was able to sell me a lot of trains. Once I went there to buy a locomotive and he had me walk out with four! I believe it was mentioned here on OGR somewhere that Joey had left the store this past summer.
After moving to the west coast five years ago my only interaction with Nicholas Smith was at York , most recently in 2019. Dave (I don’t recall his last name) , who I have done train business with since he worked at JusTrains of Delaware, was working the tables at the Meet and told me then that they would no longer be coming to the York Meet. I had also read here recently that Dave still works there, maybe just part time. Dave is fantastic with customer service. He had been telling me for years he was going to retire to the Outer Banks
I really miss visiting the store.
Not planned, but it seems I deal with Dave most every time I visit the store. I am fairly local, so I always go in person. He's very helpful, friendly, and always goes the extra mile.
Very recently, I opted to have an order shipped for no other reason than curiosity to see what it was like. I received my order acknowledgment almost immediately, and the order itself within a day or two which I thought was fantastic. Joey is definitely not there anymore; in fact, I had seen an online job posting for a store manager not all that long ago.
Back in 2009, I was at NS and Chris approached me to show new Lionel commemorative cars honoring NS. So, I bought one.
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@barrister.2u posted:
There are four of these cars. They are all on sale now at $10
@Jerryc86 posted:There are four of these cars. They are all on sale now at $10
Just ordered all 4. What a deal !!