The excuses don't have to make sense, just support the company policy! Some REAL excuses:
1. "We're a serious business, not an amusement park."
2. "The liability isn't worth the trouble."
3. "Even allowing a steam engine on our property would open a whole can of worms."
4. "Railfans are idiots." (Valid if only 1% true.)
I would not want any historical object of any sort running on CSX right now. They cannot run what they have now!
Tell me about it. I have to ship a diesel on a flatcar this fall over CSX and another one next spring on its own wheels. The CSX meltdown in progress has made trying to work with them on these shipments almost impossible.
how did JJ get 763 home from Virginia
Steamer posted:how did JJ get 763 home from Virginia
Towed in a special train from Roanoke to Columbus, OH on NS.
Towed in a special train from Columbus, OH to the AoSR site via the Ohio Central
so I would think Bellevue could use the same route then Rich?
Dave, it is a somewhat more difficult route from Strasburg, PA to Bellevue than the route out of Roanoke.
The NS routing would likely be Leaman Place (pronounced "lemon" like the fruit) - Harrisburg - Altoona - Pittsburgh - Alliance - Bucyrus - Bellevue.
The Leaman Place to Alliance portion of that route is NS busiest main line (the former PRR) with somewhere around 80 trains per day on it. Freight train speeds are as high as 60 mph, plus Amtrak runs that route at 79 mph. Sticking a 25 mph hospital train out on that line will seriously disrupt traffic for several days and hundreds of miles behind it.
The Roanoke to Columbus route does not have those problems. A lot of it is 40 mph due to the curvature in the mountains. It is not as busy as the other route, nor does Amtrak run on it. Moving a 25 mph train over that route was not too big a deal.
be too easy to go A to B.....I'm sure they will get it done. My Dad lives less than a 1/2 mile from the NS main in Alliance, and he tells me how busy it can be.
The cost for the special move is over $50,000, and will most likely take a week or two or more to complete. A couple of us will ride along with the locomotive to tend to its needs and address any mechanical issues that arise enroute. Ideally we would like to have some sort of tool car accompany the locomotive both for supplies and bunk space for the riders.
>>Amtrak runs that route at 79 mph
I believe I heard it has been upgraded to 100 MPH plus. The special move could get off Amtrak near Lancaster, a very short haul, by heading down the line to Columbia.
....the reasoning behind the Burlington Northern not allowing the UP 844 and SP 4449 operation over BN trackage from Seattle, WA to Vancouver, BC.....
I would have appealed to Warren Buffet or cc'd him on the request.
The CSX needs federal money for the Howard Street Tunnel in Baltimore. Maybe some political pressure to sway the CSX management into a favorable outlook about moving steam engines could get the 757 out of Strausburg.
How many other steam engines are trapped by the CSX? Does the 2156 get to stay in Roanoke for more time than contracted? Is the 614 trapped in Clifton Forge indefinitely?
Bobby Ogage posted:The CSX needs federal money for the Howard Street Tunnel in Baltimore. Maybe some political pressure to sway the CSX management into a favorable outlook about moving steam engines could get the 757 out of Strausburg.
Somehow, "allow steam, living or dead, on your tracks or forget your federal funding" is on any politicians mind.
Rusty
As much as I enjoy putting someone over a barrel when it's justified, making enemies out of the railroads is NOT the way to success in the preservation business. Study the way the FWRHS works with Norfolk Southern and Metra. Make friends, build partnerships, earn trust and confidence. Be true to your word and deliver on your promises. RESPECT, RESPECT, RESPECT.
We do not have to travel even one inch over any CSX controlled trackage to get 757 from Strasburg to Bellevue.
Bobby Ogage posted:....the reasoning behind the Burlington Northern not allowing the UP 844 and SP 4449 operation over BN trackage from Seattle, WA to Vancouver, BC.....
I would have appealed to Warren Buffet or cc'd him on the request.
As usual, you are out of touch with the events surrounding such statements from the BN. Note, I said BN, i.e. NOT BNSF! This happened long before the merger of the Santa Fe and the Burlington Northern, which created BNSF, and even longer before Mr. Buffet purchased all the BNSF stock.
Bobby Ogage posted:The CSX needs federal money for the Howard Street Tunnel in Baltimore. Maybe some political pressure to sway the CSX management into a favorable outlook about moving steam engines could get the 757 out of Strausburg.
You are TOTALLY out of touch with reality!
How many other steam engines are trapped by the CSX? Does the 2156 get to stay in Roanoke for more time than contracted?
Note that Norfolk Southern towed Y6a 2156 from St Louis to Roanoke, with absolutely NO involvement by CSX!
Is the 614 trapped in Clifton Forge indefinitely?
Might be, since it has no place to operate and nothing to pull.
Hi all. I am very excited fir this piece of history to be returned to Bellevue. Sure, Ill miss seeing 757 at Strasburg, but its not always about me 
I would guess this move will not happen until 2018 when the MR&NKP can gather the funds, but I sure hope to catch the train. As Rich stated, it will go through Altoona, so hopefully I won't miss a NKP berk on the Horseshoe curve again! I do have a question, is anything being given to the RRMPA in exchange for the 757? When 4014 was taken from Railgiants Museum, two SD40-2s and some rolling stock were exchanged, so I am curious if the RRMPA is getting a new item, or just the wrong end of the stick. Also, is the 757 suitable for travel after sitting for so long?
Bobby Ogage posted:CSX needs federal money for the Howard Street Tunnel in Baltimore. Maybe some political pressure to sway the CSX management into a favorable outlook about moving steam engines could get the 757 out of Strausburg.The
How many other steam engines are trapped by the CSX? Does the 2156 get to stay in Roanoke for more time than contracted? Is the 614 trapped in Clifton Forge indefinitely?
What, geographically, does the move from Lancaster, Pa to Ohio have to do with the Howard St. tunnel in Baltimore, MD.?
The 757 was a gift to Mad River. I disagree that the RRMPA got the "wrong end of the stick". This is not a win-lose situation. RRMPA, due to budget cuts and a small paid and volunteer workforce has not had the resources to keep up with the deterioration of the artifacts that are located outside in the train yard. The museum management very wisely decided that it was better for all of the artifacts that some items be deaccessioned so that they could focus their limited resources on a more manageable roster of equipment.
What struck me when I first visited the RRMPA and talked with the staff is just how small a number of people there are that keep the place going. And in the restoration shop there is a very small number of volunteers working with the paid staff. Historic preservation is a participation sport. Historic equipment in a museum still will rot away if there are not humans there to care for these beasts, and even with the heroic efforts of the restoration shop staff and volunteers, it is still a losing battle with nature.
If 757 were to remain in Strasburg, it would continue to dissolve into the earth for the foreseeable future, as it was way down the priority list for rotation into the shop for restoration work. However, as soon as 757 reaches Bellevue it will be placed inside and a team of people who are motivated and excited will descend upon the locomotive and give it the care and attention that it deserves.
As for its road worthiness for movement. Our initial inspection revealed no major issues. We will start in depth evaluations this fall and will of course keep everyone apprised of the progress as we get 757 ready to roll.
The 757 was built with roller bearings on the pony axle and the drivers, just like the other NKP S-2 class Berkshires. The trailing truck and the tender trucks are equipped with solid bearings. That will trigger the 25 mph speed limit on NS. The 757 could avoid the busy PRR corridor from Harrisburg to Pittsburgh to Cleveland if the 757 was routed from Harrisburg north to Scranton, Binghamton and Buffalo. The traffic density is not as great on that routing but it is longer. The question will be how NS would price the longer route in order to keep the 25 mph move off the busier but shorter route.
NKP779 posted:The 757 was built with roller bearings on the pony axle and the drivers, just like the other NKP S-2 class Berkshires. The trailing truck and the tender trucks are equipped with solid bearings.
Any idea WHY the AMC went with rollers up front, but not on the back?
Well, this is all nice and I appreciate the effort being made, but what are they going to put behind it? Anything age appropriate is probably gone, taken or has inoperable body rot.
Kent Loudon posted:Well, this is all nice and I appreciate the effort being made, but what are they going to put behind it? Anything age appropriate is probably gone, taken or has inoperable body rot.
Have you ever been to the Mad River and Nickel Plate Museum? Maybe if you have visited there, you wouldn't be making such a statement!
>> Be true to your word and deliver on your promises. RESPECT, RESPECT, RESPECT.
In other words, be more professional than the professionals, but nowhere near as arrogant!
Kent Loudon posted:Well, this is all nice and I appreciate the effort being made, but what are they going to put behind it? Anything age appropriate is probably gone, taken or has inoperable body rot.
When we put a passenger consist together for steam excursions, I can assure you that being "...age appropriate..." is not considered at all. The general public (the people who actually buy tickets to ride) don't know or care whether a given passenger car is age appropriate or not.
It just doesn't matter.
Be careful, when you climb into the cab be ready to be greeted by a huge wasp nest!, thats right, the cab has been taken over by bees!
Been working with derelict railroad equipment for years. I always carry angry wasp killer with me and have learned how to slowly open doors and peek inside before barging into railcars.
Rick,
I wish you, your team and the Mad River Museum the best of everything in your venture to rehabilitate the Nickle Plate 757. Please keep us posted.
While everyone is waiting for the real transfer I thought maybe this Ted Rose painting of 757 might make the wait a little more bearable. The title of the painting is State Line Tower. Ted Rose painted it in 1997.
This is the Mad River & NKP restoration shop building. It has an active connection to NS and if construction of the 757's enginehouse building has not started by the time it arrives, the locomotive will be kept in here for the interim. The building and the 757 are exactly the same length!
One of my favorite pictures I found on Facebook. Strasburg should have no trouble towing 757 out to the main, they probably towed it in.
This was just announced tonight.
The Mad River & NKP Railroad Museum is excited to partner with the Fort Wayne Railroad Historical Society to offer donors the chance to run the NKP 765 on Monday, September 18, 2017 at 6:00pm at the Cuyahoga Valley Scenic Railroad! Your donation can be made online at bringback757.org/donate or in person at the Mad River & NKP Museum at 233 York Street, Bellevue, Ohio.
Every $10 donated between August 17th, and September 7th, will give donors an opportunity to be drawn for this prize. The more you donate, the better chance you have to win. The lucky winner will be drawn and announced September 9th by 8PM.
Bring Back the 757 and Run the 765
>>Be careful, when you climb into the cab be ready to be greeted by a huge wasp nest!, thats right, the cab has been taken over by bees!<<
Well, which one is it ? How about hornets?
All the same thing as far as I am concerned. Hornets, bees, wasps, yellowjackets. Small flying insects that sting.
NKP779 posted:The 757 was built with roller bearings on the pony axle and the drivers, just like the other NKP S-2 class Berkshires. The trailing truck and the tender trucks are equipped with solid bearings. That will trigger the 25 mph speed limit on NS. The 757 could avoid the busy PRR corridor from Harrisburg to Pittsburgh to Cleveland if the 757 was routed from Harrisburg north to Scranton, Binghamton and Buffalo. The traffic density is not as great on that routing but it is longer. The question will be how NS would price the longer route in order to keep the 25 mph move off the busier but shorter route.
NKP779, yes I agree with the Scranton to Binghaton to Buffalo and onto Cleveland. The issues though because of the 25MPH speed restriction is, they would have to battle the NS Eastbound Intermodal's 22K, 206, Freights 310 & 316. Plus some westbound trains if they have to let them by. Only good things are, because it's single track, there are plenty of sidings between Buffalo and East Cleveland.
Another way they could go that actually would be good or almost better besides taking the Pittsburgh Line through Altoona and into Pittsburgh is if they got into Conway and after Conway, they take the Bayard Line from Conway and head to Alliance and use the southwest transfer in Alliance and head west on Fort Wayne Line to Bucyrus and head north to Bellevue. That way 757 doesn't even get onto the mainline from Conway to the Cleveland Line into Cleveland and head west. Unless NS has restrictions of steam along the Bayard Line.
But these are just my ideas trying to help some.
OGR Webmaster posted:Hot Water posted:The BN "executive" explained, even to the inquiring media, that "Steam locomotives damage the signaling systems!".Good Lord.
Where do these numb skulls come up with this crap?
Sad thing is there is no shortage of guys like that.
As of this weekend the Bring Back 757 campaign has raised over $45,000, approx. half of what is needed to prepare and move the 757 to Bellevue.
That was done in five weeks time and is indicative of the desire to see the 757 returned to it's home rails in Bellevue.
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