Now Comes the E6 from 3rd Rail

Would it have been far fetched for a Demo to pull a string of Pennsy  varnish?

I love that rakish look!

Norm

GG1 4877 posted:

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SANTIAGOP23 posted:

If 3rd rail offers the E5 in brass, offering several versions including the red nose may make the project more plausible. I'd take an AB and an AA set for sure. Scott is already giving us the great gift of the Rocket TA, it would be a dream to have the E5, but I understand if it doesn't happen. 

An E5 in brass would be amazing. The key model is stunning. 

Even a plated one in plastic would be pretty cool and the price would be more friendly for many people.  I'm not normally a Burlington modeler or operator, but this would make a stunning locomotive for any layout.

that does sound cool. Plating plastic models seems to work very well. Mth has been successfully doing it for years. I think a plated E5 has the potential to do well.

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You think this guy wants an E5......... :')

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Santiago,

Your message is kinda vague.  Are you looking for a specific locomotive?  

Don't blame me! A certain someone has made me Expo Flyer crazyyyy

Hot Water posted:

WITZ 41 posted:

Hot Water posted:

Maybe a CB&Q E5A and E5B, with the stainless steel, fluted sides???????

How about the brass one at Stout?

Yea, right!

First, it is 2-Rail, and second it will probably sell for $3000 or more. Third, it has the red strip scheme on the nose, which is for post 1960, and NOT my modeling era.

Wellll..you could get around the 2-rail thing on your railroad.
OTOH, think of all the money you've saved

Erik;

Keys....?  1943 would be right as the cab roof mounted number boards were added in 1942.

Allan

Here's Seaboards E6 3016 in Citrus paint:

I "may" consider one IF it's offered in the Citrus scheme and with that medieval-looking pilot

Here's an HO model in color:

At some point Seaboard changed the yellow roof to green, then to the mint green with dark green roof later.  They only had 3, 3014 (original EMD demo), 3015, and 3016.  I'm not positive but I think they started out with the Hancock air horn, switching over to the 5-chime horn at some point.

I also spotted a photo of SAL 3015 with the medieval pilot and a single headlight!  I'll try to post that photo tomorrow.

I also cast my vote for the citrus scheme Seaboard Air Line. That is one classic scheme.

Also must mention the ACL purple scheme which was used by the competition. I hope they both get enough reservations.

Leon

Here's SAL 3015:

Notice the single headlight, single horns, yellow roof, and "medieval" pilot.  3rd Rail has their work cut out for them trying to decide on the timeframe to produce.  this photo was taken in February 1942.

Also, the nose emblem says RAILWAY vice RAILROAD.

Looking at the pics above confirms to me how much better the E6 looks with the closed coupler door.  Did most the lead E6s run with a closed coupler door?  

Buying an A-B ATSF E6 set would be a no-brainer if I knew for sure they will be the "as delivered" version and the A unit would have the closed door pilot.  I read Scott's post in this thread  about the additional cost associaed with supplying a second pilot in the box like Atlas does.  I get it.

If the choice was to buy an E6 with a lobster claw or one with a closed door pilot with no coupler at all, I would prefer no coupler at all.  If you are considering to purchase an E6 what would your choice be?  

Closed door for sure on the front of the "A" unit. The large gap and coupler absolutely ruin the nose. 

If he can make small hinged doors for the top of steam boilers, the same could be done with the E6 pilot. If you want a coupler, open the doors, and attach the coupler behind the open doors.

Hey Scott - since you are making the Southern E6 how about the Tennessean and Southerner consist to go with them???

Both trains had the same consist built by Pullman Standard except for the Observation car. 

Thanks for those photos Erik!!!

Didn't you have a video of your E4 a few years back?  Seems like I recall seeing a video of it from someone on the forum.

T4TT posted and Laidoffsick echoed:

"If the choice was to buy an E6 with a lobster claw or one with a closed door pilot with no coupler at all, I would prefer no coupler at all.  If you are considering to purchase an E6 what would your choice be?"

There has to be a way/option/modification to make the lead unit with the coupler door closed.

There are a couple of different ways to do this, Scott and Co. will need to decide which is best.

Option #1: Tool-up and offer a "closed door" version of the pilot

Option #2: Install dummy coupler, but leave the option of removing the coupler and have the user install a "plug" to fit the coupler space. Lionel did with the Dreyfus Hudson. The back side of the plug had a mounting bracket that would then be screwed to one of the coupler holes. "Makes more sense with a picture".

Option #3: Model the doors so they operate (obviously will not cover conventional or Kadee coupler) but might cover a scale coupler.

In my opinion, the "plug" might be the least expensive option, but a whole new closed pilot would look the best. 

I have not pre-ordered any of the E6 units due to lack of passenger cars to pull (in my road name). But I have been thinking about the future (a gamble) that maybe the proper cars MIGHT become available in the future.  

Charlie

M J Breen posted:

Hey Scott - since you are making the Southern E6 how about the Tennessean and Southerner consist to go with them???

Both trains had the same consist built by Pullman Standard except for the Observation car. 

If I'm not mistaken, the Tennesean was hauled over N&W by class J's, so this consist would work for two railroads.

If you want this consist, you need to get a bunch of folks to write and commit to a set.

I am thinking... Both the Tuxedo and the Green Southern schemes.

What about the poor Santa Fe guys with E6s, and PAs? 

What train are they gonna pull?

T4TT posted:  

Buying an A-B ATSF E6 set would be a no-brainer if I knew for sure they will be the "as delivered" version and the A unit would have the closed door pilot.  

If the choice was to buy an E6 with a lobster claw or one with a closed door pilot with no coupler at all, I would prefer no coupler at all.  If you are considering to purchase an E6 what would your choice be?   

This sums it up for me.  

I have a Santa Fe E6 by the other guys.  But I'd ditch that in favor of this O3R AB offering, IF...

1) Closed door A pilot assured.

2) As-delivered paint and appointments.

OK, Scott??  Confirm in some manner, and I'll post a reservation!

KD?

P.S......I'm never going to give up on the EA/E1, though!  Nevahhhhhhhhh!

Both the FEC and ACL could be covered with a "Champion" 7 car set.

Lets just hope the diesels get enough reservations to be offered.

Leon

The as delivered ATSF E6s would have an enclosed front coupler, roof mounted bell behind the horns, single horns one facing forward on the fireman's side & the other rearward, coupler release lever on each side of the nose, NO cab roof number board, stainless sides, half circle crosses next to the side windows and, on the boosters, the bottom stripe curves down at the rear.

The Fourth Quarter Warbonnet has an excellent timeline chart of the ATSF E6 modifications by John B. Moore.

And the cover of the Fourth Quarter 2004 Warbonnet has a great 3/4 photo of # 14 (hint, hint) as delivered with the exception that it has the west coast WW11 blackout shield.

Allan

Sure....it figures that the 4th Quarter Warbonnet isn't available through the historical society website.  1st and 3rd quarter are.  Lol.

There's 18 pages alone in this issue.... color photos, charts, info on details, and train assignments

Doug,

This issue is in addition to the one that Allan mentioned?

Yes, its a timeline of their E units from the E1 to E8, not just the E6.

Jonathan;

Double apology...I forgot to mention it is the Fourth Quarter 1999 issue that has the timeline chart.  If you can't find a copy, I'm happy to loan you one.  Second apology, I also meant to refer you to the First Quarter 2015 issue LOS references.

Old age is hell,

Allan

Allan E posted:

Jonathan;

Double apology...I forgot to mention it is the Fourth Quarter 1999 issue that has the timeline chart.  If you can't find a copy, I'm happy to loan you one.  Second apology, I also meant to refer you to the First Quarter 2015 issue LOS references.

Old age is hell,

Allan

No worries at all.  Time to go shopping again!  The 1st Quarter 2015 issue is sold out, when the time comes for graphics I'll certainly reach out to you.  My memory isn't what it used to be, hence my recent book buying spree.  5 new ones to add to the library in the last 3 weeks and 3 were ATSF books.

Edit .... just looked online and fourth quarter 1999 is sold out too. 

Allan E,

Your description....

"The as delivered ATSF E6s would have an enclosed front coupler, roof mounted bell behind the horns, single horns one facing forward on the fireman's side & the other rearward, coupler release lever on each side of the nose, NO cab roof number board, stainless sides, half circle crosses next to the side windows and, on the boosters, the bottom stripe curves down at the rear."

....is exactly the version I hope gets manufactured.  I am not going to place my reservation until I know this is the version that will be produced.  Thanks to you and Doug for your contributions and thanks to Jonathan for doing the research.  

To me the E unit on the cover of the Warbonnet magazine has, how should I put it.....has some cosmetic shortcomings.  To me the roof mounted number board, the grab irons above the windows and the exposed coupler totally detract from its appearance.  Having typed that, I found it strange that those details bother me, yet the do!

I'm gonna muddy the waters a bit.

I was searching for some data on the Atlantic Coast Line Class R-1 4-8-4s.  I found what I was looking for in the ACL/SAL Historical Society's magazine, Lines South, issue Volume 15, No.3, 3rd Qtr 1998.

But what I also found was this.  Warren Calloway had written an article on Seaboards E4s, numbers 3000-3013.  These units had the distinct tilt out nose door, they were basically an E3 with this added feature.

The article also mentions the SAL E6s, 3014, 3015, and 3016.  Warren states that SALs E4s and E6s were identical, same engine, carbody, trucks, and electrical equipment, differing in name only.  So the E6s ALSO had the tilt out nose door!!!

SAL also had E4B units, which often were used with a number of diesels besides the E4s.

I can't vouch for the accuracy of the article but Warren is a pretty good source of info and I trust what he says.

So...what will actually be offered?  3rd Rail has a golden opportunity to offer Seaboard fans a plate full of E units if the interest is there, tilting nose door and all

Jonathan, did the yellow grab scandal strike a nerve?

T4TT;

I'm with you re reservations...hope for a chance at an as delivered #14 (no booster).

Allan

Matt,

Did you reserve your CNW AA pair yet?

I'll be pretty bummed if they cancel the road name.

Wits, I have not. I have no train to pull behind them so unless Scott does a run of CNW passenger cars I'm probably going to pass in E6s same with the Santa Fe. Want em both but have not train for em

I don't have cars for the E6s either, but I am hoping either Atlas or GGD will release early Super Chief cars some day.  I am playing the long game.  If Scott does the E6 in the form I am hoping I would be happy to buy it, test run it and then store it until the cars eventually come out.  My El Cap train is finally complete and that took a few years.  Waiting is a part of the hobby.  It is not like most of us don't have several other trains to play with while we patiently wait for the next train we "have to have".

T4TT posted:

I don't have cars for the E6s either, but I am hoping either Atlas or GGD will release early Super Chief cars some day.  I am playing the long game.  If Scott does the E6 in the form I am hoping I would be happy to buy it, test run it and then store it until the cars eventually come out.  My El Cap train is finally complete and that took a few years.  Waiting is a part of the hobby.  It is not like most of us don't have several other trains to play with while we patiently wait for the next train we "have to have".

If you would be interested in a set of the GGD 37 Super Chief cars I'll make you a great deal on a 6 car set.

rdunniii posted:

T4TT posted:

I don't have cars for the E6s either, but I am hoping either Atlas or GGD will release early Super Chief cars some day.  I am playing the long game.  If Scott does the E6 in the form I am hoping I would be happy to buy it, test run it and then store it until the cars eventually come out.  My El Cap train is finally complete and that took a few years.  Waiting is a part of the hobby.  It is not like most of us don't have several other trains to play with while we patiently wait for the next train we "have to have".

If you would be interested in a set of the GGD 37 Super Chief cars I'll make you a great deal on a 6 car set.

Is it 2 rail?

SANTIAGOP23 posted:

rdunniii posted:

T4TT posted:

I don't have cars for the E6s either, but I am hoping either Atlas or GGD will release early Super Chief cars some day.  I am playing the long game.  If Scott does the E6 in the form I am hoping I would be happy to buy it, test run it and then store it until the cars eventually come out.  My El Cap train is finally complete and that took a few years.  Waiting is a part of the hobby.  It is not like most of us don't have several other trains to play with while we patiently wait for the next train we "have to have".

If you would be interested in a set of the GGD 37 Super Chief cars I'll make you a great deal on a 6 car set.

Is it 2 rail?

Doh!  Yes.

Dang!!!!!!!