Now Comes the E6 from 3rd Rail

Richard, id be interested

Matt Makens posted:

Richard, id be interested

Great,  make me what you consider a fair offer offline.

I'm still on the fence with this offering for the same reason I passed of the Milwaukee E7's, the maroon and orange paint scheme. If the E7's would have had the as delivered gray and orange with the Milwaukee mustache I'd have ordered a set. I already have the Lionel E6 AA units so these aren't a must have for me. I think it's great that Scott is offering more diesels as of late though. I recently purchased the Milwaukee Road SD7 and it is truly an awesome model, thank you Scott and all the fine folks involved in making those.  Now if Scott would announce a 2-6-6-2 Milwaukee Mallet, well that's a no-brainer.

A Milw 2-6-6-2, now that would be cool

Jonathan or Richard;

Can't tell (at least I can't) from the website whether the ATSF A units will be as delivered or modified.  The photo shows a circa 1960's lead unit.  Also, will it be possible to order a specific number?  Posting here rather than to Scott with the hope that others will share their preferences.

Allan

Against my better judgment I did reserve the C&NW version (requested 5005 A/B) as Witz41 mentioned at the beginning of this thread.

I still have the major concern of what passenger cars will become available in the future, but the 21 inch K-lines (if I an find them) will have to do for now. 

If for some reason the C&NW scheme does not make the cut I will switch to the Illinois Central (and still have the same problem of finding passengers cars to pull) but I suspect we will see some IC cars before we see C&NW cars.

Charlie

Allan, I have the same questions.  I did email Scott. He said there would be more details as the project moves forward. I am not going to make a reservation until those details are public. I am hoping for as delivered with closed pilot. We"ll see.

Purplepapa posted:

The E6 demo unit, IIRC, was displayed at the NY world's fair and later sold to Seaboard Air Line and was numbered 3014 and repainted. The unit, while on display, had clear panels on parts of the side to display the interior. I don't have a photo but hope this post will help find one.

 

You had me curious about that display. Found this so far; is this the same E6? Bad angle for a side view though.

Scrapiron Scher posted:

Was the "City of New Orleans" ever pulled by E-6's? I have so many Santa Fe locos ordered from Scott, perhaps it is time to order the Illinois Central E-6's and build the train I have never owned, but would like to. Those passenger cars could be a problem, though.

I believe they did.

Folks, rest assured...

We will make these E6 with "As Delivered" details and paint schemes. Your input is crucial for Jonathan, Richard and I to get the details right. It's not a matter of what the detail differences are, road to road, but getting the information early and clearly for the factory to tool these details up.  Pilots with closed doors, moving doors, flapping doors, is all possible if it makes sense for the modeler. I've already got it in my head that E6s have closed doors for the most part as a front A unit.

BTW: The factory has a nasty gap in production and wants to start on the E8 2nd Run order ASAP. Order's closing now. Let me know this weekend if you haven't already.

Oh, and Happy 4th of July. American holidays mean a lot more to me when I am overseas. We got the greatest Country.

Scott - China

Scott;

A happy 4th of July, indeed.  With the as delivered, I will place an order for an ATSF A unit (and  hope it is #14).  Also, if I can be of any review assistance, happy to do so.

allan

Could the CNW modelers use CITY passenger train cars to haul behind their E6's?

#15 in action!

It's interesting that this forum has more 3rdRail SS up-to-date info than their website.  I'm glad I found this out.  (It was an incentive to Join the discussions.) 

So how does one Reserve and specify what kind of pilot one wants for E-6?  Need choices such as 1) closed for leading "A" or 2) open for trailing "A".  (Same for 2 and 3 rail?)  I guess it's coupler or no coupler.

As of now, am I right that "A" and "B" will be powered?

And I understand that there will never be enough "subscribers" to execute/manufacture a consist for every one of these beautiful engines.  BUT...I've suggested to Scott that he consider at lease a nice uniform (read one mold) coach run that will color match the diesels (or what ever appropriate color per road) (streamlined preferred by me)  And perhaps a baggage car.  Add your own express cars, thru sleepers, heavyweights and you have a typical mixed consist.  Make em in four numbers for those that want long consists but separate boxes as not everyone can or needs to buy four (I Hate cut Styrofoam "box" from buying one or two).  And do em in plastic!!!  Not everyone wants to spend $300 a pop/car for aluminum.

Just my two bits worth.

Greg

TrainBub posted:

It's interesting that this forum has more 3rdRail SS up-to-date info than their website.  I'm glad I found this out.  (It was an incentive to Join the discussions.) 

So how does one Reserve and specify what kind of pilot one wants for E-6?  Need choices such as 1) closed for leading "A" or 2) open for trailing "A".  (Same for 2 and 3 rail?)  I guess it's coupler or no coupler.

As of now, am I right that "A" and "B" will be powered?

And I understand that there will never be enough "subscribers" to execute/manufacture a consist for every one of these beautiful engines.  BUT...I've suggested to Scott that he consider at lease a nice uniform (read one mold) coach run that will color match the diesels (or what ever appropriate color per road) (streamlined preferred by me)  And perhaps a baggage car.  Add your own express cars, thru sleepers, heavyweights and you have a typical mixed consist.  Make em in four numbers for those that want long consists but separate boxes as not everyone can or needs to buy four (I Hate cut Styrofoam "box" from buying one or two).  And do em in plastic!!!  Not everyone wants to spend $300 a pop/car for aluminum.

Just my two bits worth.

Greg

eMail Scott Mann at Sunset/3rd Rail and request EXACTLY what you want. Simple as that.

Hot Water posted:

TrainBub posted:

It's interesting that this forum has more 3rdRail SS up-to-date info than their website.  I'm glad I found this out.  (It was an incentive to Join the discussions.) 

So how does one Reserve and specify what kind of pilot one wants for E-6?  Need choices such as 1) closed for leading "A" or 2) open for trailing "A".  (Same for 2 and 3 rail?)  I guess it's coupler or no coupler.

As of now, am I right that "A" and "B" will be powered?

And I understand that there will never be enough "subscribers" to execute/manufacture a consist for every one of these beautiful engines.  BUT...I've suggested to Scott that he consider at lease a nice uniform (read one mold) coach run that will color match the diesels (or what ever appropriate color per road) (streamlined preferred by me)  And perhaps a baggage car.  Add your own express cars, thru sleepers, heavyweights and you have a typical mixed consist.  Make em in four numbers for those that want long consists but separate boxes as not everyone can or needs to buy four (I Hate cut Styrofoam "box" from buying one or two).  And do em in plastic!!!  Not everyone wants to spend $300 a pop/car for aluminum.

Just my two bits worth.

Greg

eMail Scott Mann at Sunset/3rd Rail and request EXACTLY what you want. Simple as that.

However, Sunset/GGD does not do generic passenger cars.

What were the recent aluminum 4 car "finish  sets"?  Different paint job does not mean "custom" consist. Perhaps generic was the wrong word.  Think common design - like modernized hwt cars were one simple design / mold  

Everyone will Not get their ideal perfect consist.  I'm trying to get enough people to speak up. We Might get a few nice cars if there is a Common Design that can be done in multiple paint jobs. I'd rather have a few nice cars than nothing. 

A few years ago 3rd Rail did some Pennsy coaches followed up by some Pullman cars in green with gold.   An observation car and some coaches were produced,I think.  3rd Rail also did a series of head end cars about this time in numerous road names.  All were done in brass.  Good luck finding these cars.

Norm

I've reserved the Southern and am very excited! Will be my first order from 3rd Rail..

Will there be a 'Tuxedo' Southern in Black/White?

Hi Sam,  I put in my request to Scott a while back for the Southern Tuxedo and or a SCL engine #500 plus series paint scheme.  I like the paint on both.  Checked GGD web site and they may have added the SRR Tux.  Will email Scott.

Southern Tuxedo is on the pre-order list.  If you want to see that scheme go forward, go ahead and place your order.  As always it takes 20 orders to go forward with a paint scheme.  

Trying to decide on what the E6 demo will look like.  Is it based on the 1939 world fair as shown below?

Hi Sam, following up on my msg. to you.

I see Jonathan replied also, that's good.   Scott said he added it to the web site. I'm also been aware how many SRR's Tux. are needed for a run. Hope we get some help.  You've been after that Tux. for quite a while.

It's going to be fun watching how this E6 engine allotment plays out.  Good luck to all.

Tommy

Thought I'd chime in with interest on the possibility of the CB&Q E-5. I've got the Atlas CA Zephyr set, and was expecting to have acquired the matching F-3s by now. Given they don't seem to.be on the horizon, and after reviewing my collection the E-5 would make a nice change from more F units.

I've got a set of Lionel F3's I'll be letting go in CB&Q. I have to fix a few things then they'll be for sale ABBA with 2 powered B units

Scott just added the CB&Q E-5s to the reservation list!

Originally posted by Jon HOn:

Trying to decide on what the E6 demo will look like.  Is it based on the 1939 world fair as shown below?

NO. That is an E4. Color pics of the E6 Diesel demo are :

and back on page 2

Will the seaboard  be in the citrus sceme

Saw the announcement this morning on the E5s just like everyone else.  Glad we can finally talk about it publicly now!  It will be an exciting project for a very unique engine.

marty track posted:

Will the seaboard  be in the citrus sceme

I would like to see that, but from the photo it looks like the later scheme.  The original citrus scheme would be great, but that was only used on the E4, as I understand it.

Jonathan, could you please elaborate on the details of the E5? Is it its own tooling? What era? Skirts? 

We haven't had the conversation on details yet.  My guess is that it will be close to the as-built version.  Whether it has the skirting or not is to be determined.  There is off course the question on how that would work on O72 for three rail.  If I were to hazard a guess, I'd think likely late 40's which you of course know is without the skirts, black nose stripes, no "E5" data plate and no grab bar modifications to the front.  However, please provide input.  None of the E5/E6 research has started in earnest due to the amount of projects happening right now at the factory.  I would also hazard to guess that it will be a Phase II E5 so it can share some of the roof details with the E6.

GG1 4877 posted:

We haven't had the conversation on details yet.  My guess is that it will be close to the as-built version.  Whether it has the skirting or not is to be determined.  There is off course the question on how that would work O72 for three rail.  If I were to hazard a guess, I'd think likely late 40's which you of course know is without the skirts, black nose stripes, no "E5" data plate and no grab bar modifications to the front.  However, please provide input.  None of the E5/E6 research has started in earnest due to the amount of projects happening right now at the factory.  I would also hazard to guess that it will be a Phase II E5 so it can share some of the roof details with the E6.

Jonathan,

Everything you and Scott should require is covered in that Burlington Bulletin about the CB&Q E Units.

Jack,

I referenced it this morning!  That is one of the most concise publications I have run across with all the information you need.

Thanks!

Jonathan - Will the Mopac Units have portholes instead of square windows, as pictured on the 3rd Rail website?                             

Will the CB&Q E5's be plated? 

Thanks

Mopac Portholes.  I certainly hope so with all the info that will be provided when needed, wait until you see the PA's.

Bob

In addition we are adding the Seaboard Citrus Scheme to our line up. Thanks for your input and enthusiasm. This project is coming together well.

Scott Mann

Scott, the E5's were stainless steel throughout, not just the side panels like the E8-9's.

Also, will they come with skirts, additional batten strips and the unique MARS and headlight light shapes? 

These differences are major with the standard E6, hence my request to make the E5 in brass. However if you can make these happen in this run it would be great.