Now Comes the E6 from 3rd Rail

sdmann posted: Thanks for your input and enthusiasm. This project is coming together well.

Scott Mann

Thanks

Hey Scott that's great to hear!  Is it too late to preorder a Southern E6 A-A set? 

Seaboard Citrus     thank you  Scott!!!!!      placing my orders with Greg tomorrow

Will the Seaboard citrus scheme have the yellow roof and silver trucks like the E4 or the green roof and black trucks?  

Has anyone heard any more updates on this project?  Will it become a reality?

Hoping!

reservations are closing, that means they got enough reservations to move into production

E5/E6 Diesel Project Update: 

Body Tool is Done

Painting and Lettering Scheme Design has Begun

Production is set for Feb/Mar, probably an April delivery now.

When we order parts we have to freeze the quantities. That will be about January.

sdmann posted:

E5/E6 Diesel Project Update: 

Body Tool is Done

Painting and Lettering Scheme Design has Begun

Production is set for Feb/Mar, probably an April delivery now.

When we order parts we have to freeze the quantities. That will be about January.

Excellent! Now when can we see a rendition of the EMD demo Paint scheme?

prrhorseshoecurve posted:

sdmann posted:

E5/E6 Diesel Project Update: 

Body Tool is Done

Painting and Lettering Scheme Design has Begun

Production is set for Feb/Mar, probably an April delivery now.

When we order parts we have to freeze the quantities. That will be about January.

Excellent! Now when can we see a rendition of the EMD demo Paint scheme?

If you have any color photos, or maybe even the EMC/EMD styling & painting drawing, for that demonstrator, I'm sure Scott, and everyone else, would like to see them.

Awesome news, thank you!

Really appreciate the additional details on the time-frame.  It is most helpful for planning additional purchases, haha.

Hot Water posted:

prrhorseshoecurve posted:

sdmann posted:

E5/E6 Diesel Project Update: 

Body Tool is Done

Painting and Lettering Scheme Design has Begun

Production is set for Feb/Mar, probably an April delivery now.

When we order parts we have to freeze the quantities. That will be about January.

Excellent! Now when can we see a rendition of the EMD demo Paint scheme?

If you have any color photos, or maybe even the EMC/EMD styling & painting drawing, for that demonstrator, I'm sure Scott, and everyone else, would like to see them.

All I have seen is back on page 2 on this thread.

A minor cosmic coincidence...the invoice for the E6 came last week and today the Warbonnet arrived with E6 15 on the cover and an excellent article on the Super Chief 1937 - 1947.

Allan

Jack, if your looking here, then that means you don't have the info... So here's what we got for all to see.  Only 3 lucky customers have ordered the Demos.

We got the red color, but what's this yellow?

And yes, we know we need corrections on the geometry of the nose decal. All is in the works right now.

This is the  Citrus Scheme we are going to produce. This might be a Key model of the same.

These will be stunning cant wait   !!!!

sdmann posted:

Jack, if your looking here, then that means you don't have the info... So here's what we got for all to see.

Scott, you are correct, I do not have any information on the actual EMC/EMD E6 demonstrator, and have only seen one B&W photo of the actual demonstrator unit. For what it's worth, that unit pictured in the 1939 World's Fair, did NOT actually demonstrate on any railroads in that paint scheme.

  Only 3 lucky customers have ordered the Demos.

We got the red color, but what's this yellow?

And yes, we know we need corrections on the geometry of the nose decal. All is in the works right now.

I FOUND WHITE MENTIONED INDIRECTLY IN A COUPLE WEB SITES

The B unit was inside the Pavilion

marty track posted:

The B unit was inside the Pavilion

Unless I am mistaken, NO "B"unit Demo was on the reservation sheet. I just checked again and see NO "B Unit" on the reservation sheet. If I am wrong, I WANT the Demo B! NO JOKE! I am one of Three!

Originally posted by sdMann:

Jack, if your looking here, then that means you don't have the info... So here's what we got for all to see.
 Only 3 lucky customers have ordered the Demos.

I can't believe these really LOW production numbers! Someone on the forum is on the fence for this paint scheme and will probably be"kicking" themselves later as to why they didn't get one. They are probably thinking.... Hmm Maybe MTH will do one just like the PA-1 Demos.... Then again.... Maybe not!

sdmann posted:

Jack, if your looking here, then that means you don't have the info... So here's what we got for all to see.  Only 3 lucky customers have ordered the Demos.

We got the red color, but what's this yellow?

And yes, we know we need corrections on the geometry of the nose decal. All is in the works right now.

Mr. Mann, are we SURE the Fuel tank skirts and Pilot are Black in color?

This black and white photo says otherwise:

Maybe it's me but looking at the B&W photos above, We see the Black line separating the "Red and the Tan colors. But the "black line" doesn't seem to match the dark color of the pilot... hence thinking the Pilot and Fuel tank skirts are red.the Black Line does seem to Match the Black "Bird Shadow" behind the Chrome GM-Diesel emblem on the nose though.

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/832040099884605498/

WHITE WITH BLACK  ?????

You can see the B unit in the color photo posted a few posts above if you zoom in. Notice how the A unit looks extra long. If you zoom in there's a paint matched piece in-between the units.

marty track posted:

WHITE WITH BLACK  ?????

If you look closely at this photo, there is a lighter color along the bottom batten.  It appears to be aluminum.  Also of note in this photo is that is labeled for Seaboard while the other side photo that exists doesn't show that.  This this was rebuilt halfway through the 1939 World's fair from an E3 into an E6.  The E3 was sold to the Seaboard and had a different Seaboard scheme before this one.  I believe this photo represents the best photographic evidence available.  The body color is not white, but I suspect it is the same cream color applied to the original ATSF FTs prior to the brighter yellow being applied. 

Currently I have marked up the manufacturer's drawing accordingly based on this photo.  As Jack said, this was really never a true demonstrator.  I was simply placed in an exhibition and over the course of a year had a lot of changes!  I have a reference guide of demonstrator paint schemes and this is not shown.  I suspect the E3 demonstrator was enough to sell units as the E6 was mostly an internal upgrade of that model. 

Here is my FT showing the color I am referencing:

Surefire posted:

You can see the B unit in the color photo posted a few posts above if you zoom in. Notice how the A unit looks extra long. If you zoom in there's a paint matched piece in-between the units.

In that photo above, the "b"unit that you seem to reference to with those 8 square windows near the "end" appears more like a building attachment to the rear of the "A"unit carbody rather than a "b"unit.

If it was a true "b"unit, I doubt that EMD could fit those 8 square windows in that configuration in relation to the structural supports on  how a "b"unit carbody is built. In other words where's the angled steel beams behind the glass? I don't see any.

This is a higher resolution image of the photo posted above.

There was definitely a B unit there in 1939:

The Winter 2018 Classic Trains has a two page color photo spread of these units as they appeared in 1939.  They were white or slightly off-white (ala CB&Q's "aluminum???")  Top two stripes are red, bottom two silver or stainless steel.

It would seem reasonable that the main portion of the body remained the same "white" color and the top painted red for the 1940 display along with the addition of the black nose wings.

The locomotive also appears to be further back toward the pavilion in 1940 and has the glass sides.  I would reason the B unit was removed from the 1940 display.

Rusty

No argument from me Rusty. Yes in 1939 there was a "B" unit. Unfortunately this is not the model being made.

prrhorseshoecurve posted:

No argument from me Rusty. Yes in 1939 there was a "B" unit. Unfortunately this is not the model being made.

Well, since the E6 did NOT "demonstrate" with a B unit, why would Sunset 3rd Rail offer one?

MR HOT WATER  (JACK)   DO YOU HAVE ONE ON ORDER.?    I DO .    AND WHICH EVER WAY IS DECIDED  I WILL BE ALWAYS GRATEFULL TO SCOTT FOR DOING THESE

Hot Water posted:

prrhorseshoecurve posted:

No argument from me Rusty. Yes in 1939 there was a "B" unit. Unfortunately this is not the model being made.

Well, since the E6 did NOT "demonstrate" with a B unit, why would Sunset 3rd Rail offer one?

IDK? You have to ask forumite Surefire on that one. He was the one claiming the EMD  E6 had a Demo "B unit" with the "A " unit. Maybe he know something that you or I don't know? Maybe he has additional pictures?

marty track posted:

MR HOT WATER  (JACK)   DO YOU HAVE ONE ON ORDER.?    I DO .    AND WHICH EVER WAY IS DECIDED  I WILL BE ALWAYS GRATEFULL TO SCOTT FOR DOING THESE

No, I do not have one "on order".     Why are you yelling at me???????

No  not yelling cap lock was on sorry

I have the Santa Fe AB unit on order. As well as the UP model. Canceled the Lionel units because of all the problems I have had reasonly on other units.

 MR JOHN .YOU WIL LOVE THE 3RD RAIL ONES AND NEVER GO BACK TO THE DARK SIDE

marty track posted:

 MR JOHN .YOU WIL LOVE THE 3RD RAIL ONES AND NEVER GO BACK TO THE DARK SIDE

You are still yelling!

Remembering the good old days when we were focused on the best possible E6, a question for Jonathan;  will the ATSF E 6 have the pilot brakeman's step?

Allana

sdmann posted:

...We got the red color, but what's this yellow?

My 2¢ opinion.  Based on the shadowing, I think that the above photo was taken when the sun angle was low and the light is softened which gives a more warm or yellowed distorted appearance as compared to the below photo that appears to be more midday where the color looks more white or off-white.  The center nose emblem and "DIESEL" lettering appear to be aluminum or chrome whose color would not likely be affected by the sun's angle and it's respective hue.

marty track posted:

Allan E posted:

Remembering the good old days when we were focused on the best possible E6, a question for Jonathan;  will the ATSF E 6 have the pilot brakeman's step?

 

Allana

Allan,

I marked it up on the latest review of drawings from this last weekend.  It is the same detail we did on the FT.  We are waiting drawing revisions over the holidays so I can check and see if it got picked up then.  Overall, these are coming along nicely.  I have an ATSF A-B and and a Burlington E5 on order myself. 

Jonathan;

Many thanks...you got it right with the FT.

Allan

more pictures

Thanks again Marty T for the additional pictures. It appears no "B" unit for 1940 but definitely a "B"unit for 1939!