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I have been following this silently for the past month and feel like Norfolk Southern somehow is just going to get taken over by these money hungry CP guys. Makes me sick with all of the things NS has done for the rail fans these past few years with heritage units and steam excursions (Not that those things are important for a business standpoint), but sure makes the company a class act IMO. I don't work for NS, but know a few people that do and they say the company really cares about there employees. I don't think CP feels the same way with all there cost cutting idea's and laying employee's off. That is not how you run a successful company. So as much as I love NS turning down CP, I just hope they hold there ground and keep there company and stockholders in mind and not the get rich quick CP way.

What does everyone else think?

 

Thank you

Brandon  

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Makes me sick with all of the things NS has done for the rail fans these past few years with heritage units and steam excursions (Not that those things are important for a business standpoint), but sure makes the company a class act IMO.

I certainly agree . Company pride for sure.. I'm a retired CNR  ,  Conductor. ( not CN-rail). I didn't even realize  Harrison was at one time CEO of CN-rail  and is now CEO of  CP. Is that what happen to our steamers up here? Never see much of  them anymore. .   It's like a big game of monopoly  only for real for these guys. another question.... Why would  CN & CP hire Harrison?? WE must have qualified people here... That's my 2 cents.... Even Our Hudson bay company is not owned by Canadians anymore. It  was the  oldest company in Canada. Bottom line,, know how you feel.

Brandon Cole posted:

... these money hungry CP guys.

You mean, as opposed to the non-profit railroads?

Companies are all money hungry to a degree, as a necessity to keep operating. Don't forget how many other railroads NS (and all the other current large roads) gobbled up and spit out the remains...

p51 posted:
Brandon Cole posted:

... these money hungry CP guys.

You mean, as opposed to the non-profit railroads?

Companies are all money hungry to a degree, as a necessity to keep operating. Don't forget how many other railroads NS (and all the other current large roads) gobbled up and spit out the remains...

Yeah, but that's different because NS has Heritage paint jobs and will let steam locomotives play on their tracks..

Rusty

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I've been communicating with a number of Wall Street transportation analysts over the past 24 hours.  To a man they believe CP will launch a proxy fight which NS will lose.  This thing could get ugly very quickly.  Whether the STB eventually approves or disapproves an NS/ CP merger, the process poses a threat to NS' long term viability and, if you'll pardon the pun, I think the train is already off the track.

Although I am not supportive of a merger of NS into one of the western railroads, I have about concluded that the best outcome available to NS employees, customers and shareholders at this point is for either BNSF or UP to launch a bidding war for NS to keep the railroad out of Ackman and Harrison's hands and the destruction that is sure to follow.

The genie is out of the bottle now and I think the Class 1 merger "end game" is where this will all end up.

Curt

Rusty Traque posted:
p51 posted:
Brandon Cole posted:

... these money hungry CP guys.

You mean, as opposed to the non-profit railroads?

Companies are all money hungry to a degree, as a necessity to keep operating. Don't forget how many other railroads NS (and all the other current large roads) gobbled up and spit out the remains...

Yeah, but that's different because NS has Heritage paint jobs and will let steam locomotives play on their tracks..

Rusty

That's not what I am getting at. Like I stated I think NS is a class act for acknowledging the heritage and not to mention the money that was brought in from the steam excursions, that where sold out and company publicity that went along with that. Heritage aside money is what its all about at the end of the day, but you can't cut a portion of your employee's like CP did and expect more out of the ones you have and say your doing the company good! In no way shape or form am I trying to pick a fight. Just expressing my opinions like this forum is for. I hold NS high, as they are my local railroad and hope they continue on doing there own thing.

Thank you    

My thinking................................STB will never approve this merger..............period!

Also.....................Keep in mind, Federal Trade Commission rules, any person or company owning 5% or more stock is required to obtain advance clearance from federal antitrust agencies before they can complete a major merger or acquisition deal. The FTC would stop CP in its tracks on trying to purchase controlling interest of NS. If CP does have NS stock it is under 5% at this time.

Regards, 

Swafford

Swafford posted:

My thinking................................STB will never approve this merger..............period!

Also.....................Keep in mind, Federal Trade Commission rules, any person or company owning 5% or more stock is required to obtain advance clearance from federal antitrust agencies before they can complete a major merger or acquisition deal. The FTC would stop CP in its tracks on trying to purchase controlling interest of NS. If CP does have NS stock it is under 5% at this time.

Regards, 

Swafford

Swafford 

Can you explain how a proxy bid would effect the outcome? I am in the dark on that. 

Thanks

Brandon 

CP would try to persuade existing NS shareholders (51%) to vote out NS management so that the CP would have an easier time taking over.

My thinking..........I do not think CP can get 51% of the shareholders to go for this type of merger.

Keep in mind, STB and DOJ approval would still be required!  not going to happen! 

Regards, 

Swafford

Swafford posted:

CP would try to persuade existing NS shareholders (51%) to vote out NS management so that the CP would have an easier time taking over.

My thinking..........I do not think CP can get 51% of the shareholders to go for this type of merger.

Keep in mind, STB and DOJ approval would still be required!  not going to happen! 

Regards, 

Swafford

You might want to check into exactly how much actual cash the Canadian Pacific now has on hand, especially after all the cost-cutting that E. Hunter Harrison as been doing since he took control.

Well, to be sure, as a railfan, this whole deal renders my emotions all over the place. However, as a retired professional railroader, I have to remind folks, that the railroad is a business answerable to the stockholders of the company. Sure, we my ruminate over the loss of steam programs or heritage units. However, the railroad is a business, first and foremost.

So, with that in mind, we need to keep things in perspective. E.H.H. is a brilliant operating man. No doubt about that, he knows how to run trains, first and foremost. That is the heart of the railroad. How well the company does or doesn't serve its customers will be the key. Once the fat is cut out, there comes a time when other considerations take over. Witness what happened at CN. Mr. Harrison, took a moribund operation and trimmed it to the lean meat. Cut out the fat and moved trains with efficient operations. No doubt about that. He did the same at CP.

The time eventually came wherein the Board and the Customers expected another level of service and relations. Hence, the end of Mr. Harrison's tenure at CN. Look at their numbers. The traffic levels have remained relatively stable in spite of the collapse of the Energy sector (I.e. Coal and Oil - neither of which CN was overly dependent upon). The current Management of CN, has been able to maintain the same levels of efficient service while keeping and growing customer traffic.

These companies aren't run for the convenience of the Railfan community. We need to get over that. When a company such as NS or UP runs special trains and steam excursions, they do so out of goodwill and public exposure. Regardless of our personal desires to maintain such operations, they in reality are somewhat of a frivolous expense in comparison to operating trains for the benefit of the customers who pay the bills.

The real "Wizard" behind the curtain is Bill Ackman and his Pershing Square Capital Partners. Personally I have seen upsides and downside of his methodologies. Look at what happened to his involvement in JC Penney and Herbalife. However, one feels about his methods, he shakes things up. Time will tell how this all shakes out.

What we may end up seeing is what has been emerging during the past couple of days in the news. Joint ownership of both properties by Pershing Square and EHH taking the reigns of NS and Keith Creel taking the reigns of CP.

Even at that, subject to STB review, it may trigger another scenario where the Two Major Western Roads and CSX and NS end up consolidating. Either way, some pretty exciting times in the railroad industry.

Full disclosure here, I am a former CN employee and my wife works at a local JC Penney. The opinions expressed herein are my own observations and I also own some CSX Stock.

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Swafford posted:

Keep in mind too................DOJ Antitrust Division may get involved to investigate the potential merger. The US administration is not a fan of big business! 

Sorry Frank, That dude in the White House is a big friend of Warren Buffett, if his buddy wants the sale because it may help his road, BNSF it may happen with the help of his bud Barack Mohammed Obama.  If deal would hurt BNSF you can consider it dead.

mark s posted:

Coal is being replaced by cheap, plentiful natural gas in utilities. really has nothing to do with the administration. Just economics.

That's right. Plus anyone hung up on coal needs to get educated on climate change and what's going on in Paris right now. The more you read about climate change, the scarier it is, guaranteed. And everything these days, including coal use, petroleum prices, and environmental concerns and responsibilities, is a worldwide endeavor in today's world shared with with multiple countries, not just something that "belongs" to the United States. 

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