NS having problems on their mainline in Pa. A MOW crew is putting down new rail at the Horseshoe Curve plus a derailment on the mainline at Huntingdon, Pa. It is where a creek flows in to the Juniata river with several rail cars in the creek.They think one track might be open but traffic will be screwed up. Raining pretty good too so the track gangs will be earning their money today.
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And if Conrail left it as a 3 main line track, This backup probably would not have happened.
prrhorseshoecurve posted:And if Conrail left it as a 3 main line track, This backup probably would not have happened.
What??? I thought that Conrail was the one that reduced the Horseshoe Curve from 4 main tracks to 3 main tracks!
The bridge in the video crosses Stone Creek or, I guess more officially known as Standing Stone Creek. Great trout stream. I spent many Saturday’s fishing on Stone Creek with my dad when I was growing up.
Jack; as you note; Conrail did remove the old number two track from Horseshoe Curve in the mid-‘80’s reducing the stretch from roughly Alto to UN from four to three tracks. PRRhorseshoecurve is also correct though, as Conrail removed a third track from Tyrone east to Duncannon in the same mid 1980’s time frame. This reduced the former Middle Division to only two main tracks.
Curt
Interesting. NS has constructed a new number two track on the old MOW roadway and appears to have shifted number one track a few feet to the north.
I wonder if this is permanent or just until the bridge structure has been repaired?
Curt
I noticed that too. I bet it is for good. NS doesn't seem to fool around when it is track repair. They might reinforce that bridge with concrete. Over time I noticed in the Pgh. area when there was an "incident" they went all out. They were lucky they didn't lose the whole line. The old PRR infrastructure was well built but won't last forever.
Trainplace posted:
I really enjoyed your posted videos. The few drone videos that I've watched in the past, did not have sound. These sound better than most out there taken from track side. So it raises the entertainment value for me. The perspective is really awesome as well.
just passing along the info from my youtube feed. these were taken by David Lauback. All credit goes to him.
The audio on the video clips was not recorded by the drone. All you would get there would be prop noise.
That’s dubbed in sound from some other recording. It’s very well done, but it’s not the actual sound of the trains in the video.
Interesting RICH. Maybe he records the actual sound with a separate recording device on the ground and then adds it later. Or, is it possible with all the technology we have today, that the device on the drone can cancel out the sound of the props when it records?
It sounded like the actual video from that site to me because you could hear the backup beepers on the loader and dozers as they were pushing stone.
Shawn
I was watching the videos of the repairs and all the resources and material being used. The railroads really respond quickly to these events and it costs a lot of money. In the chain of command, who makes the decisions and gets things rolling ?? Are they on the site or back in an office ?? They must not spend too much time in meetings when this happens. With this Huntigdon derailment they moved the mainlines away from the bridge and laid track on the MOW road. Who would decide this move ?? Very impressive. Quick reaction, thinking and decisions made. I have talked to some MOW workers and a very proud group. Like one told me, "They don't go anywhere without us".
OGR Webmaster posted:The audio on the video clips was not recorded by the drone. All you would get there would be prop noise.
That’s dubbed in sound from some other recording. It’s very well done, but it’s not the actual sound of the trains in the video.
I actually missed that!
Dave Zucal posted:Interesting RICH. Maybe he records the actual sound with a separate recording device on the ground and then adds it later. Or, is it possible with all the technology we have today, that the device on the drone can cancel out the sound of the props when it records?
The sound of the train on those videos was recorded with a mic very close to the track. The banging of wheels going over a track joint was WAY too loud and clear to be otherwise. Even if the circuitry could cancel the sound of the drone’s props, the mic is still too far away to clearly pick up the sound of the train.
As for the other sounds (backup beepers, dozer engines, etc.) they could be recorded anywhere and mixed into this scene.
Those two tracks sure look close together at the bridge site. Watching the radiator wings on the engines sticking out, it looks like the clearance between two engines passing wouldn't be more than a few feet max. Of course, I can't see close up, but it certainly appears that it's a very tight fit.
Ooh, PRR signals still there (for now). Might be worth a run over there. David
Engineer-Joe posted:Trainplace posted:I really enjoyed your posted videos. The few drone videos that I've watched in the past, did not have sound. These sound better than most out there taken from track side. So it raises the entertainment value for me. The perspective is really awesome as well.
The sound is recorded separately from ground level and is "married" to the video in editing. There is no way to get crystal clear sound like this from a mic on a drone. The drone's motor sounds overwhelm everything else.
OK Silly question but what is the abandoned R-O-W to the left of the main line next to the highway?
OGR Webmaster posted:The audio on the video clips was not recorded by the drone. All you would get there would be prop noise.
That’s dubbed in sound from some other recording. It’s very well done, but it’s not the actual sound of the trains in the video.
WHAT?
I think that it pretty obvious that the sounds are from those same trains. The fact that the ditch lights are flashing from blowing the horn is a big tip off.
Nice job Mr. Lauback!
Dave Zucal posted:Interesting RICH. Maybe he records the actual sound with a separate recording device on the ground and then adds it later. Or, is it possible with all the technology we have today, that the device on the drone can cancel out the sound of the props when it records?
Oliverpowered posted:It sounded like the actual video from that site to me because you could hear the backup beepers on the loader and dozers as they were pushing stone.
Shawn
Big Jim posted:OGR Webmaster posted:The audio on the video clips was not recorded by the drone. All you would get there would be prop noise.
That’s dubbed in sound from some other recording. It’s very well done, but it’s not the actual sound of the trains in the video.
WHAT?
I think that it pretty obvious that the sounds are from those same trains. The fact that the ditch lights are flashing from blowing the horn is a big tip off.
Nice job Mr. Lauback!
The sounds may be from the same trains, however, they most certainly were not recorded by a mic on the drone. That was my point.
As for the timing of the horn and the ditch lights, any competent video editor could sync that up from a totally different recording in a matter of seconds.
prrhorseshoecurve posted:OK Silly question but what is the abandoned R-O-W to the left of the main line next to the highway?
That is the original PRR mainline from 1849. In the early 1900’s; the PRR filled in the Pennsylvania Canal and relocated the mainline to that alignment along the Juniata River, expanding it to four tracks in the process.
The original alignment followed what is now Allegheny Street in Huntingdon. Since the Huntingdon PRR station was built while the Allegheny Street alignment was still the mainline; what is now the front of the station facing the NS tracks was originally the back of the station.
Curt
Aha! Therefore we cannot say for certain, that the Amtrak Engineer failed to sound the proper whistle signal while passing the gang. We'll have to run the written reprimand through the shredder and re-test that Engineer at a later date.
Tom:
You are “an official” to the core. 😉
But a thoughtful one; I might add! 👍
Curt
jim pastorius posted:I was watching the videos of the repairs and all the resources and material being used. The railroads really respond quickly to these events and it costs a lot of money. In the chain of command, who makes the decisions and gets things rolling ?? Are they on the site or back in an office ?? They must not spend too much time in meetings when this happens. With this Huntigdon derailment they moved the mainlines away from the bridge and laid track on the MOW road. Who would decide this move ?? Very impressive. Quick reaction, thinking and decisions made. I have talked to some MOW workers and a very proud group. Like one told me, "They don't go anywhere without us".
I was the Terminal Supervisor for MW as Conway Yard. To answer your question when a derailment takes place, Dispatch will notify the Trainmaster and the Track Supervisor who is in charge of that territory. Then the phone calls start going up the ladder. On the MW side, the TS will notify his next in command which is his ADE (Assistant Division Engineer). All traffic is halted until supervisors are on site and can assess damage, track stability, structure stability, and most importantly HazMat issues. In this case B&B (Bridges & Buildings) supervisor would need to inspect and make the call about bridge stability. Also, this would call for the immediate use of HazMat to be called, as we are dealing with a waterway contamination. The rest I am sure most everyone knows. The calls to Hulchers or RJ Corman to remove the derailed cars, etc.
OGR Webmaster posted:Big Jim posted:OGR Webmaster posted:The audio on the video clips was not recorded by the drone. All you would get there would be prop noise.
That’s dubbed in sound from some other recording. It’s very well done, but it’s not the actual sound of the trains in the video.
WHAT?
I think that it pretty obvious that the sounds are from those same trains. The fact that the ditch lights are flashing from blowing the horn is a big tip off.
Nice job Mr. Lauback!
The sounds may be from the same trains, however, they most certainly were not recorded by a mic on the drone. That was my point.
As for the timing of the horn and the ditch lights, any competent video editor could sync that up from a totally different recording in a matter of seconds.
Yeah, and try getting the length of the train right too!
I never disputed the sounds weren't from the drone. That went without saying.
BobbyD posted:Dave Zucal posted:Interesting RICH. Maybe he records the actual sound with a separate recording device on the ground and then adds it later. Or, is it possible with all the technology we have today, that the device on the drone can cancel out the sound of the props when it records?
Oliverpowered posted:It sounded like the actual video from that site to me because you could hear the backup beepers on the loader and dozers as they were pushing stone.
Shawn
What did you use to record the sound? It sounds great and adds to the excitement!!
Like I said, separate audio recording from ground level. I shoot video and make audio recordings too, though not with a drone.....yet.
Hey everyone! I came across this discussion about how the audio was recorded in my YouTube videos that were posted here by @Trainplace. @Rich Melvin is correct in that my drones do not record audio since all you would hear is the noise from the propellers. Nonetheless, the audio in the video is the actual audio from the train in the video. It's just recorded separately at ground level using a GoPro camera. I'm always trying to make the audio as accurate as possible by carefully choosing where to record the audio from. It definitely adds to the video. I hope you all enjoyed the videos. I enjoyed reading the discussion here. It was interesting to hear people's thoughts. Go to my YouTube channel and subscribe if you want to see more aerial train footage. I plan to post videos pretty regularly this summer!
DLAUBACK, thanks for joining our discussion and verifying your technique. I have a question for you. Is the Go Pro synced to the drone controls and drone camera so that it will start and stop at the same time the drone camera will start and stop?
Dave Zucal posted:DLAUBACK, thanks for joining our discussion and verifying your technique. I have a question for you. Is the Go Pro synced to the drone controls and drone camera so that it will start and stop at the same time the drone camera will start and stop?
Great question @Dave Zucal! Unfortunately the GoPro doesn't have the ability to be synced with my drone. I have to sync the video and audio manually, and since the recordings don't start at the same time I have to use some sort of reference point to match up thhttps://youtu.be/1XmGJJMTXdge timing of the video with the audio. I use Adobe Premiere Pro video editing software to put everything together. Where it can get tricky is with videos like the one I filmed at the junction in Deshler, Ohio, where you have train wheels clicking across a diamond. I always try to match everything up as perfectly as possible, but it can be tricky to get it just right.
dlauback posted:Hey everyone! I came across this discussion about how the audio was recorded in my YouTube videos that were posted here by @Trainplace. @Rich Melvin is correct in that my drones do not record audio since all you would hear is the noise from the propellers. Nonetheless, the audio in the video is the actual audio from the train in the video. It's just recorded separately at ground level using a GoPro camera. I'm always trying to make the audio as accurate as possible by carefully choosing where to record the audio from. It definitely adds to the video. I hope you all enjoyed the videos. I enjoyed reading the discussion here. It was interesting to hear people's thoughts. Go to my YouTube channel and subscribe if you want to see more aerial train footage. I plan to post videos pretty regularly this summer!
DLAUBACK,
Thanks for the info and GREAT SHOTS!!
Thanks Dave L, since a transmitter sends the command to the drone to start recording, I'm sure it's only a matter of time that someone will make it possible for that transmission to activate a recorder on the ground. Wouldn't that be awesome?
Dave Zucal posted:Thanks Dave L, since a transmitter sends the command to the drone to start recording, I'm sure it's only a matter of time that someone will make it possible for that transmission to activate a recorder on the ground. Wouldn't that be awesome?
There really is no need to do this.
Syncing audio to video in Adobe Premiere Pro or Final Cut Pro on a MAC is very easy to do, even if they have not started recording at the same time. That's Basic Video Editing 101.
Some entry level consumer video editing programs have a tough time with this, but the "prosumer" and professional programs can easily handle it.
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