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Hi Gang

Others have posted their projects from time to time, so I thought I would share this with you. I dont know how well this is going to work because I have not posted too many pictures to this forum, but here goes..........

I happen to like big steam. A while back I acquired a Max Grey NYC Niagara at what I thought was a very reasonable price in a private sale. When you are talking about a 60 year old locomotive you have to assume that there will be problems, and this was the case for sure. But this is how I participate in the hobby, namely by resurrecting old or damaged equipment and trying to make something nice out of it. I prefer the KTM products, imported by Max Grey or US Hobby's etc. They are good quality units that last forever. In terms of all the fancy detailing, perhaps they may be dated but they are affordable (mid 3 figures, not much higher) and with time and effort you most likely will get something worthwhile.

The Niagara  (4-8-4) in question resembled the UP FEF series with elephant ears and a centipede tender. It had many broken solder joints which I repaired. The elephant ears had come off and the front of the engine (pilot) looked as though it had taken a shot somewhere along the way, and I managed to fix this. There was a open frame motor in the firebox which was as large as your fist which I replaced with a Pittman can motor. I had a cast backhead from Precision Scale in stock so this was installed. A prior owner had replaced the infamous MG foam rubber suspension with coil springs, so I did not have to deal with this at all, and the motion was as smooth as glass, so I managed to avoid all the really nasty problems with the engine.

The tender is another story. When I wire up an engine/tender, I like to arrange things so that the unit goes forward if the rail on the engineers side is +, and the firemans side is -. Not all layouts follow this convention, so a reversing toggle switch is required if the engine is going to travel. Also I wanted to put a DCC decoder in the tender, but have the flexibility to go back to DC at will, so I added another DPDT toggle. Both of these toggle switches are accessable from beneath the tender. I used a D808 decoder from MRC, not from any notion of brand loyalty, but because there was a D808 which had died already installed in the engine. MRC has a policy of refurbishing any of their decoders for a modest sum no questions asked if the units are not mechanically destroyed.

The real problem with the tender was that there was no way to open it up. The centipede structure used up most of the space on the bottom, and there was no clear way to unscrew the bottom and lift off the superstructure. I found a parting line around the 4 sides and was able to slip the blade of an exacto-knife into this crack and jimmy the thing open. (horrible). It turns out that a previous owner had tack soldered the 4 corners of the superstructure to the frame. In reassembly I used ACC in the same way. Perhaps some day I might revisit this if I have time. This experience has lead me to believe that the tender was kit-bashed years ago.

The engine runs as smooth as silk on a test track. Since I dont have a layout, I will have to go to a friends house for a trial run.

John

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Hi Ron

 

The drivers do not have brakes. I guess MG avoided another mechanical complication.

 

Also I forgot to include a picture of the DCC board as mounted on the tender. I like to use Velcro from Home Depot to hold the electronics in place.

 

Also If you look at the first series of pictures you will notice a screw-head where the elephant ears touch the pilot beam. Very unprototypical. (tough). It turns out that people tend to pick up the loco invariably where the elephant ears are located. With time this will crack the solder joint that attaches the elephant ear to the catwalk. Reinforcing this spot with a 2-56 solves this problem.

 

I also installed a Kaydee in the tender.

 

 

John

 

 

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See more of?  I have yet to see a model of any South African steam, except for a couple of Beyer Garratts in the Seattle area.

 

On the driver brakes - almost all such installations can cause operational grief.  I made some out of Bakelite for one of my more detailed locomotives, and one decided to bind up, kinda like a Chinese finger trap.  I told a customer once he could have driver brakes or a lifetime mechanism guarantee, but not both.  I even saw an MTH locomotive short out due to driver brakes.

Originally Posted by bob2:

See more of?  I have yet to see a model of any South African steam, except for a couple of Beyer Garratts in the Seattle area.

 

On the driver brakes - almost all such installations can cause operational grief.  I made some out of Bakelite for one of my more detailed locomotives, and one decided to bind up, kinda like a Chinese finger trap.  I told a customer once he could have driver brakes or a lifetime mechanism guarantee, but not both.  I even saw an MTH locomotive short out due to driver brakes.

See as in vision....videos, photos..not confined to models. 

My favorite engine also. And a nice job in the refurbishment! (I would get rid of the 2-56 though!) I like engines to have brake hangers and brakes. Some of the more "realistic" two rail manufacturers use a form of plastic for the brake hangers and brakes, in order to avoid shorts. I think that this is the right way to go with regard to two rail steam engines.

Thre really is no "right way".  My big deal is round boiler bellies and hidden drive shafts and gearboxes.  Most O Scalers care not about parts of the boiler that you cannot see, and actually prefer a gearbox that extends into the boiler.

 

I am extremely selective about which models I install brake shoes on.  Most do not have them, and I simply do not notice.  One had full rigging at one point.  I had to take off all but the beams and shoes.

 

I would like to pick up current with spring-loaded shoes on plastic beams - but solved the pickup problem with all-wheel pickup in the tenders.  Some day . . .

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