O Gauge C&NW

@WITZ 41 posted:

Another teaser.

Something very special coming soon.....

😁

Those look GREAT!. Are those painted and decaled or "wraps"

@AGHRMatt posted:

Those look GREAT!. Are those painted and decaled or "wraps"

Painted and decaled.

@WITZ 41 posted:

Another teaser.

Something very special coming soon.....

😁

Looks great Bill. Any news on the observation car?

Thanks for sharing.

Charlie

Had a nice chat and cup of coffee with Eddy this morning.  He's a huge CNW fan.  What a great guy. Super knowledgeable and has a passion for it.  He was also very gracious and helped with a few contacts for help.

We met so I could pick up a huge order of AMAZING custom passenger car bodies from his 401 Models line.

4 Coaches

1 Coach w/stewardess room

2 Parlor cars

1 Diner

1 #7500 Baggage Tap (Twin Cities 400)

1 #7502 Baggage Tap (Minnesota 400)

So cool. So cool. Pics of two of them below....

The bodies are aluminum but the roofs start as black plastic one piece parts and in certain light the green paint looks a lot darker than the side band.

More pics to come as I progress.

I have a lot of work ahead of me on each of them.  Trucks, underbody, glazing, lighting, diaphragms, couplers. Not to mention, full detailed interiors.

He still troubleshooting the Observation car.  He has his prototype, but the unique and complicated roof end of the CNW prototype creates a significant reproduction challenge for manufacture.  Hope he figures it out soon.  I joked that after he takes care of the Rockford O Scalers he better be ready for my order next! 😁.

He also brought along his 3rd Rail CNW E6.  Just to show me.  Man! I'm cursing myself for cancelling my order.  Awesome model. I just had too much uncertainty at the time. ☹️

@WITZ 41 posted:

Had a nice chat and cup of coffee with Eddy this morning.  He's a huge CNW fan.  What a great guy. Super knowledgeable and has a passion for it.  He was also very gracious and helped with a few contacts for help.

We met so I could pick up a huge order of AMAZING custom passenger car bodies from his 401 Models line.

4 Coaches

1 Coach w/stewardess room

2 Parlor cars

1 Diner

1 #7500 Baggage Tap (Twin Cities 400)

1 #7502 Baggage Tap (Minnesota 400)

So cool. So cool. Pics of two of them below....

More pics to come as I progress.

I have a lot of work ahead of me on each of them.  Trucks, underbody, glazing, lighting, diaphragms, couplers. Not to mention, full detailed interiors.

He still troubleshooting the Observation car.  He has his prototype, but the unique and complicated roof end of the CNW prototype creates a significant reproduction challenge for manufacture.  Hope he figures it out soon.  I joked that after he takes care of the Rockford O Scalers he better be ready for my order next! 😁.

He also brought along his 3rd Rail CNW E6.  Just to show me.  Man! I'm cursing myself for cancelling my order.  Awesome model. I just had too much uncertainty at the time. ☹️

Looks great! I guess I should probably order some kits now, even though I don't have time to build them anytime soon. Kind of like how you feel about not having the CNW E6. Not sure how much longer someone like Eddy will be in business and fairly certain there won't be anyone to take his place when he decides to pack up shop.

Again, thanks for sharing.

Charlie

O scale CNW "400"

I'm going to need some major sweeping curved layout space for my Minnesota "400" and Twin Cities "400" once I get these babies finished!

Those look amazing!  Scott will be running the E6 again.  If you have any interest at all, let him know you are interested.  We talked today and he would like to definitely do a 2nd run of those.  A few new road names will be in the mix as well, but not applicable to this specific thread.

@GG1 4877 posted:

Those look amazing!  Scott will be running the E6 again.  If you have any interest at all, let him know you are interested.  We talked today and he would like to definitely do a 2nd run of those.  A few new road names will be in the mix as well, but not applicable to this specific thread.

Thanks Jonathan. I'm so pumped to have them Eddy Wichman did a fantastic job on the bodies for me.

I'll be emailing Scott shortly. Definitely want an AA pair numbered 5005A and 5005B

(most already know the CNW numbered many of it's A units with "B" for pairing)

A E3 pair (5001A 5001B) would be cool but I am definitely down for the 2nd run of E6s!

Happy Friday! Took the picture of going away westbound C&NW manifest train with SD40, GP35 and SD40 on eastbound track at west of Marshalltown, Iowa.
Patrick

An oldie but a goodie.  Williams 4-6-4

3rd Rail is offering an accurate rendition of the C&NW SD40-2 down to the nose mounted bell that makes this variation something never offered in O scale.

Fall time! North Western’s SD40, SD45, SD40 and GP9 pulling empty pink grain hopper cars from storage to several Iowa towns to fill up. Grain hopper cars from Weaver, Atlas O and LionScale.

Nice vid!  Gives me flashbacks of being stuck, seemingly forever, at the intersection of Grace St and St. Charles Rd in Lombard where the C&NW West line crossing cut through 5 directions of streets.

Always at the most inconvenient time.

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Is the LIONEL CNW SD45 loco painted in "Safety Yellow" from the 1980's

Does it match the Atlas O Trainman CNW "Safety Yellow" bay window caboose?

Andrew

@falconservice posted:

Is the LIONEL CNW SD45 loco painted in "Safety Yellow" from the 1980's

Does it match the Atlas O Trainman CNW "Safety Yellow" bay window caboose?

Andrew

Andrew:

I get confused between "Safety Yellow" and "Zito Yellow". Zito is the one you can see from orbit because it's so bright, but it faded to a white-yellow in about 18 months, but did they refer to that as Safety Yellow, or was it the school bus chrome yellow?

"Safety Yellow" was the official name of the 1980-1990 era yellow applied.

"Zito Yellow" was the railfan nickname.

Andrew

@falconservice posted:

"Safety Yellow" was the official name of the 1980-1990 era yellow applied.

"Zito Yellow" was the railfan nickname.

Andrew

Thanks. You couldn't miss it...for a few months anyway.

Yes, that yellow does really fade, I took this in Toccoa, GA on 20aug2011:

That "J" SD in front, however, is a different story!

One of my favorite Weaver center-flows Is the C&NW version, I have about ten or so:

I also have a couple of the three-bay rib-sides.

LATE EDIT (16dec21): I am not sure as to why I thought that SOO was C&NW!

@PRRMP54 posted:

One of my favorite Weaver center-flows Is the C&NW version, I have about ten or so:

I also have a couple of the three-bay rib-sides.

I have a batch of them. It looks like the CNW 4-bay ACF's were done by Weaver and Petersen in different numbers and slight logo variants, in yellow and green. When one pops up on eBay, I have to check to make sure I don't buy a duplicate. I've switched most of them over to Intermountain scale wheels and Kadee couplers. I also have a few of the 2-bay PS2's and PS4427 high-side 3-bay hoppers.

Atlas did two pairs of PS4427 low-sides for Petersen Supply in yellow and green. They also did a four-car release of Trainman PS-4750's in a one-off green -- a color which supposedly was done for a company, then cancelled, then picked up by CNW. Lionel released a nicely-done 3-pack in yellow, plus a single unit in green. All are on my list to be 2-railed.

I did a YouTube with 20 ATSF PS4427's pulled by a pair of C40-8W's. I realized I've collected so many CNW grain hoppers I can do the same thing, but never got around to taking everything down to the club to shoot it.

By the way, if you want an early intermodal, Lionel released a series of PS-4 flat cars with trailers that are fantastic. Hard to come by now as they sold out quickly. I've also planned to 2-rail these along with the Weaver 50-footers with the 35-foot single trailer.

@cnw4ever posted:

An oldie but a goodie.  Williams 4-6-4

I always thought one of those models would be a good candidate to modify into one of the CNW's monster E-3 Pacifics.  Since no one will ever make an accurate one.

@PRRMP54 posted:

One of my favorite Weaver center-flows Is the C&NW version, I have about ten or so:

I also have a couple of the three-bay rib-sides.

I am not sure why I posted that; somehow I got the SOO mixed up in my head with the C&NW! Oops!

@falconservice posted:

Is the LIONEL CNW SD45 loco painted in "Safety Yellow" from the 1980's

Does it match the Atlas O Trainman CNW "Safety Yellow" bay window caboose?

Andrew

Andrew,

   Here is the picture of Lionel SD40 (not SD45) with Atlas Trainman caboose.

Happy Saturday! North Western’s trademark mixed MU with long loaded grain hopper cars running south from Oelwein to Kansas City through Marshalltown on former CGW track.
Patrick

The LIONEL SD40-2 has the 1970's era Original Yellow scheme.

Original Yellow has a bit of red mixed into the Yellow.

Andrew

I've seen "Original Yellow" referred to as "Stagecoach Yellow".  It is such a great color; warm, tasteful and classy.  I'm a UP fan but a clean CNW paint job trumps Armour Yellow every time.  The last such comparison I made was 10 years ago, in the Powder River Basin, when I spotted one of the last class of CNW power mixed in with a bunch of UP power.

There's something particularly stirring about seeing your "home road" power, pulling hard for home, regardless of the passage of decades and intervening loyalties.  *sigh*

Mr. Zito's rubber stamped signature is on my ancient Road Brakeman qualification cards but I never met the man.  I'm sure he was an effective manager but his choice of colors leaves much to be desired, as far as I'm concerned.  "Zito Yellow" is pale by comparison.

Great C&NW shots!  Growing up in Glen Ellyn, IL in the 1970's and 1980's, I can remember the many C&NW freights and commuters running by.. Usually, the freights would run the GPs and SD40 locomotives and the E's and F's would pull the commuter runs.  Although every once in awhile, there would be an E, F or even an FB runnning on a freight train which was always pretty neat. 

A small contribution to this thread.  GP38-2 and a caboose that came out of the collection of Bob Johnston who was a founding member of TCA Desert Division.  More important than the trains themselves, I hold on to these as memories of someone who was a friend and an avid fan of the C&NW himself. 

In a post dated 9/20/21, WITZ41 mentioned that a Williams 4-6-4 (in C&NW lettering) might be a good candidate to convert to a C&NW Pacific, but then included a picture of a Milwaukee Road Pacific below that comment.  Just wondering if the comment meant MR Pacific, or if the wrong picture was attached?

Chuck

@PRR1950 posted:

  Just wondering if the comment meant MR Pacific, or if the wrong picture was attached?

Chuck

Chuck, I can see where it might be confusing, but the image of #601 is a C&NW Pacific, lettered for the Omaha Road or "C. ST.P, M. & O.RY" = Chicago, St. Paul, Minneapolis and Omaha. The C&NW bought/controlled/absorbed the Omaha Road in 1882 and kept it a separate corporation until 1958.

The Pacific of the Omaha Road > C&NW were some very impressive engines that I would like to see modeled as well, but I suspect the interest would be too small for anyone (Lionel or 3rd Rail) to make a credible version, so Witz was just saying that the Williams Hudson, might make a good starting point for a C&NW Pacific stand in.

Hope that helps.

Charlie

My entry into the C&NW sweepstakes, the MTH Premier 20-3298-1 Streamlined E4 with Protosound 2.  Just need something for it to pull.

Charlie,

Got it and thanks.  I was having some trouble reading the engine lettering.

Chuck

@gunrunnerjohn posted:

My entry into the C&NW sweepstakes, the MTH Premier 20-3298-1 Streamlined E4 with Protosound 2.  Just need something for it to pull.

Hi John.

The green CNW streamlined sets show up on eBay quite frequently. There's a set up now. The downside is that they oftentimes want too much for them.

I did a senior college project of photographing the C&NW yard in Sioux City at about midnight  40 some years ago. I was about 5 degrees. The prof thought I was nuts but gave me an A- for the class. I still have the project.

Atlas O CNW Evans Products 53' box cars and CNW Extended-Vision Caboose.

The 53' box cars were painted in Traditional Yellow. The pre-production illustration showed it to be Safety Yellow like the CNW caboose. 

The date on the box cars is CNW 5-84, which is during the Safety Yellow era.

Andrew

Falcon Service

@AGHRMatt posted:

Hi John.

The green CNW streamlined sets show up on eBay quite frequently. There's a set up now. The downside is that they oftentimes want too much for them.

My problem exactly, I have seen them, but they're about twice what I'm willing to pay!  Right now the MTH stuff is selling at a premium, so it's not a good time to be shopping for MTH stuff.  I'm simply not willing to pay double the MSRP for a twenty year old set of used passenger cars, that ain't happening!

@Charlie posted:

Chuck, I can see where it might be confusing, but the image of #601 is a C&NW Pacific, lettered for the Omaha Road or "C. ST.P, M. & O.RY" = Chicago, St. Paul, Minneapolis and Omaha. The C&NW bought/controlled/absorbed the Omaha Road in 1882 and kept it a separate corporation until 1958.

The Pacific of the Omaha Road > C&NW were some very impressive engines that I would like to see modeled as well, but I suspect the interest would be too small for anyone (Lionel or 3rd Rail) to make a credible version, so Witz was just saying that the Williams Hudson, might make a good starting point for a C&NW Pacific stand in.

Hope that helps.

Charlie

@PRR1950 posted:

In a post dated 9/20/21, WITZ41 mentioned that a Williams 4-6-4 (in C&NW lettering) might be a good candidate to convert to a C&NW Pacific, but then included a picture of a Milwaukee Road Pacific below that comment.  Just wondering if the comment meant MR Pacific, or if the wrong picture was attached?

Chuck

Hi Chuck.

Charlie's good explanation aside, here's a wider photo for context.(Clearly not mine) from Lloyd A Keyser's wonderful book

'Chicago and North Western In Color, Volume 1: 1941-1953'

Will

I have some models with "Line" and some with "System" in the herald.  Also, I see a lot of photos with "Railway" in the herald.  Does anyone know the time frame for these changes?  It seems that "Line" may have been in use in the 1940's and 1950's and "System" came later?

This is from Wikipedia:

• The North Western Line (1891-1902)
• Chicago & North Western Line (1902-1944)
• Chicago & North Western System (1944-1957)
• Chicago & North Western Railway (1957-1971)
• North Western: Employee Owned (1971-1982)
• Chicago & North Western System (1982-1995)