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I recently picked up a 2-pack of Lionel Pennsylvania/Santa Fe 21” passenger cars. According to what I have been able to learn online, they could have been used on the Broadway Limited from NYC to Chicago, then passed to The Chief for the rest of the transcontinental trip to LA. In cases like this, was there a usual location in the Limited where the Santa Fe cars would have been placed??? One note, my Broadway Limited set has an observation car which I think would be the last car.

Thanks.

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Going by the consist order Farmall-Joe listed above and a listing of "Make-up of Trains dated 9/28/1952" listed on prr.railfan.net and a copy of the Make-up of Trains dated 4/24/1955 I downloaded from Jerry Britton's web site, "PENNSYRR.COM" years ago they all show the Santa Fe car ( 4 Cpt.-4 DBR.-2 DR ) the second car in the consist after the RPO being the first on both the East Bound #28 and the West Bound #29 trains.

So I think it is safe to say throughout the early and mid 50's that would be its location in the consist if by chance that's the years you model.



russ

This discussion, besides coming up with a plausible answer, demonstrates the joy inherent in the element of "mimesis." I feel somewhat saddened whenever I hear someone say "It's your railroad--do whatever you want" when the modeler in question is so clearly seeking recognition from fellow railroaders. The modeler who cares where a particular car goes in a consist has tapped into a whole universe of representation that not only provides personal satisfaction but provides a pipeline for shared appreciation. In my own field of maritime history, that kind of quest was usually applied to the way a particular type of sailing vessel might have been handled a hundred or two hundred years ago. Joseph Conrad called that appreciation one aspect of "The Fellowship of the Craft." In railroading, we have not one "vessel" but hundreds running not freely upon the seas but along taultly managed routes of steel. Whether we're looking at the most recent GGD offering or a prewar Irvington car, each of us has a porthole into that richness of technology and human cooperation that resulted in a great and perhaps evervescent era of transportation history. There's a reason the New Haven named its posh equipment after clipper ships . . .

As always, the forum comes through!!! Thanks for the info everyone… and the history. And, Russ @pennsyfanman, thanks for the link to the prr.railfan.net - amazing amount of info - it will take a while to sort through all of it. And @Farmall-Joe, thanks for the links on the consist. And Ron @CAPPilot, I knew you would have some good info on  Pennsy train!!! I have always been stuck in this mindset that passenger trains were made up of cars with matching paint schemes. The forum has shown me the error of my ways. The idea that one train could have cars from two of my favorite roads was enticing, hence my purchase of the Penn/Santa Fe cars. I will probably place them up front, and with apologies to Ron and @RDM, I will probably run both cars in my train - I guess that the Oscars were that week and there was a lot more traffic going to LA I am as far from a rivet counter as one can get, but some accuracy is a good thing to strive for. Now, I guess I’ll have to find a Pennsy RPO.

Thanks again!!!

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