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Long history   The Hudson Tubes is what most people called it   Pennsylvania Railroad owned it for awhile and had the Keystone on the front of the cars

The one time that I rode it (quite a few years ago @ 1965 or so), the cars were very similar to NYCTA subway cars in appearance but with the keystone on the front. Beyond that, it is just a vague memory now.

@bluelinec4 posted:

Long history   The Hudson Tubes is what most people called it   Pennsylvania Railroad owned it for awhile and had the Keystone on the front of the cars

PRR never owned it. They owned the track between hudson interlocking and Newark, and co-operated it (along with the Newark - Hudson Terminal line) with the H&M. They did own some of the equipment (the red cars, MP38, as opposed to H&M's black cars, and the MP51, which were the same as H&M's K cars).

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PRR logo and name were on cars that ran PRR Newark NJ Broad Street Station - Journal Square Jersey City, NJ. These trains carried a PRR conductor and crew between Newark and Journal Square and operated as a PRR train. Stations Journal Square east into NY City were Hudson & Manhattan (now PATH) trains.

There is a full color Morning Sun hardcover book  "HUDSON & MANHATTAN RAILROAD In Color" on this full operation currently listed in OGR For Sale section.

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Something interesting about the sixth avenue section in manhattan   NYC subways IND division used 34 street as a terminal so there werent any express tracks south of 34 st   Sixth ave had two local tracks and beneath that was the H&M.  When NYC decided to put express tracks on 6th avenue they had too go deep     There are three levels of tracks on 6th avenue   The express tracks are 12 stories deep

I took "The PATH" (as people used to call it) for many, many years between the WTC and either Journal Square or Newark. I rode the "K" cars (the ones on the book's cover) as well as the newer "PA" cars. If memory serves me, I believe the "K" cars were among the first air conditioned mass transit cars in the country.

A small system, true, but one loaded with history, and an essential commuter link. The number of people handled by PATH could never be handled by the Lincoln and Holland Tunnels if PATH did not exist.

I took "The PATH" (as people used to call it) for many, many years between the WTC and either Journal Square or Newark. I rode the "K" cars (the ones on the book's cover) as well as the newer "PA" cars. If memory serves me, I believe the "K" cars were among the first air conditioned mass transit cars in the country.

A small system, true, but one loaded with history, and an essential commuter link. The number of people handled by PATH could never be handled by the Lincoln and Holland Tunnels if PATH did not exist.

The K cars were the first air conditioned subway cars. At the time of its construction, it was the only way other than ferry to get across the Hudson, predating even the PRR's tunnels. It was originally planned to access all of the Hudson RR terminals, but somehow Communipaw never happened. The GW bridge and the Holland and Lincoln tunnels all cut into ridership, leading to bankruptcy in 1957. PATH is technically a railroad, under FRA authority.

When I worked for the parent company of PATH many years ago, I was able to enter the original trans-Hudson railroad tunnel started in 1874 and which is adjacent to one of the PATH tunnels in Jersey City.

In 1880, there was a blow out in that tunnel, causing the deaths of 20 workers. As the story goes, 8 workers had successfully escaped through the airlock, but the foreman saw that if the airlock was not closed, the rest of the excavation would be flooded, so he closed the airlock and trapped himself and the 19 other workers. That part of the excavation was sealed behind a wall of concrete. The project continued until it ran out of money in 1892.

I was able to walk through an airlock in the original 1874 tunnel into the chamber behind which I was told was the flooded tunnel and airlock and perished workers. My PATH escorts did not enter the chamber through the airlock with me. I walked up to the far wall and placed my hand on it. What struck me most about being alone there was the utter stillness of the place. There was no sound at all, the air was motionless, the atmosphere was unnatural. It quite literally was a tomb.

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