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As reported on TRAINS.com, and other sources, NS is planning to place OOS the x-Virginian trackage between Elmore yard (near Mullens,WV) to Kellysville,WV. This includes the scenic stretch over Clark's Gap which had high trestles, tunnels, steep grades, and was once electrified. Elmore yard will also be closed, and through traffic from Deepwater, WV, will reach the NS Pocahontas Div. at Wharncliffe, WV.

Besides the legendary electrification, this line was famous for big steam, and some of the last Fairbanks-Morse Trainmaster diesels in use.
The attached photos date from 1972-73 and show a "Farewell to the Trainmasters" fan trip to Mullens, the big "Motor Barn" in Mullens that is in a couple of photos is a barren field now. Photos courtesy J.D. Floyd collection

 

I have developed a wild idea that this trackage, particularly from Elmore yard to Princeton,WV. could become a "super scenic" RR!

Suppose the NS sold/leased this track to the State of West Virginia, and an operator found that could run it, similar to Cass and the Elkins/Durbin operations. This trackage could play host to the biggest in steam engines (the trio in Roanoke, 614, 765, et al), any type of vintage diesel, there is already a wye at Elmore yard to turn trains. A turning wye or turntable could be installed at Princeton in the old shops area, there is access to interstate highways and tourist infrastructure already in the area. Maybe I'm a dreamer, but this would help insure big steam operation in the Appalachians should NS downsize the current steam program.

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Originally Posted by Borden Tunnel:

       

I have developed a wild idea that this trackage, particularly from Elmore yard to Princeton,WV. could become a "super scenic" RR!

Suppose the NS sold/leased this track to the State of West Virginia, and an operator found that could run it, similar to Cass and the Elkins/Durbin operations. This trackage could play host to the biggest in steam engines (the trio in Roanoke, 614, 765, et al), any type of vintage diesel, there is already a wye at Elmore yard to turn trains. A turning wye or turntable could be installed at Princeton in the old shops area, there is access to interstate highways and tourist infrastructure already in the area. Maybe I'm a dreamer, but this would help insure big steam operation in the Appalachians should NS downsize the current steam program.


       


At that rate, you might as well have the catenary reinstalled to allow electrics to run!  (Honestly don't know if any EL-Cs even still exist.)

To preserve a section of a mainline railway for larger historic equipment to run would be ideal—especially if it's the only opportunity for a given locomotive to run.  I am not aware of an American equivalent to the UK's Great Central Railway, the only preserved mainline in that country.
Originally Posted by GCRailways:
Originally Posted by Borden Tunnel:

       

I have developed a wild idea that this trackage, particularly from Elmore yard to Princeton,WV. could become a "super scenic" RR!

Suppose the NS sold/leased this track to the State of West Virginia, and an operator found that could run it, similar to Cass and the Elkins/Durbin operations. This trackage could play host to the biggest in steam engines (the trio in Roanoke, 614, 765, et al), any type of vintage diesel, there is already a wye at Elmore yard to turn trains. A turning wye or turntable could be installed at Princeton in the old shops area, there is access to interstate highways and tourist infrastructure already in the area. Maybe I'm a dreamer, but this would help insure big steam operation in the Appalachians should NS downsize the current steam program.


       


At that rate, you might as well have the catenary reinstalled to allow electrics to run!  (Honestly don't know if any EL-Cs even still exist.)

To preserve a section of a mainline railway for larger historic equipment to run would be ideal—especially if it's the only opportunity for a given locomotive to run.  I am not aware of an American equivalent to the UK's Great Central Railway, the only preserved mainline in that country.

2 EL-Cs (New Haven class EF-4, Conrail class E33) survived right through to Conrail and are at museums today. One is at the Virginia Transportation Museum in Roanoke, VA and the other is at the Railroad Museum of New England at Thomaston, CT.

Originally Posted by Mike W.:

Isnt most of this line CTC and welded rail?  With some business' still served along it?

 

Coal is still the most efficient and inexpensive energy source...those volumes will increase once Natural Gas edges up.

Gas prices will take off as soon as a sufficient number of plants have been converted and the demand for coal drops below the point where mining is profitable. Those plants will never be converted back so it's gas or nothing. Forget solar and wind power. Unless you pave over the US with solar panels and windmills become as plentiful as trees you'll never meet the demand for electricity.

 

Then, with nowhere else to go it'll be Katie bar the door for gas prices.

 

Diesel was cheap as dirt at the time when railroads and the US Navy converted away from coal fuel. Then with the increased demand for diesel and it being the only game in town for commercial transportation, up, up, up it went.

 

Anyone wanting to operate a steam locomotive in the next decade or beyond had better think about converting to another fuel besides coal. No mine is going to stay in business without a market larger than a few dozen tender loads of coal per year.

Last edited by Nick Chillianis

Most likely, the line will either be bought by the state of West Virginia and leased out to some operating company, if any business is left on the line, or just sit and rust in the rain. Maybe, if we're lucky, the state will allow a tourist operator like the Potomac Eagle or similar to run on the line.

 

And maybe we'll see an Allegheny (Blue Ridge) on the Virginian again.

Last edited by pittsburghrailfan
Originally Posted by pittsburghrailfan:

Looks like they're not abandoning the line after all. Click Here to read the story.

 

 

I suspect some political pressure was brought to bear on NS. The latest news release has some corporate double-talk, looks like NS is going to avoid running through trains between Elmore and Kellysville. The Princeton yard and old shops complex does appear to have some activity for local service, visible via Google Earth.
I'll continue to hope that this line could support excursion trains, whether by NS or a private operator...

 

The problem coal production and coal use has is not the market, but our own government.

 

Simply put, the current administration essentially wants zero domestic coal use and would dearly love to close coal export for the sake of the cleaning up the "world".  The tactics are easy to see and understand:

 

* Legislate stricter and stricter EPA emission requirements (that some may say are unrealistic) that essentially force coal-fired plants to convert to natural gas.

 

* Legislate stricter and stricter laws/requirements (that some may say are unrealistic) needed to mine coal.

 

IMHO, in many ways the EPA is autonomous and pretty much does what they want and their actions only becomes vaguely accountable when they screw up in a major (read: highly visible/media covered) way like the catastrophe in Colorado.

 

 

 

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