Pennsy Fans are Spoiled

Pickin's are slim for the D&H cars on de'Bay.

Well when you are a fan of the Standard Railroad of the World I think you would be spoiled!!!

Yes, we are. 

What's your point?   

George

I feel your pain. I've been looking for the same set of D&H streamlined cars for my PA's for months now. I do collect  Pennsy as well but have no interest in Pennsy passenger pieces. I wish Lionel would knock out a decent set of D&H passenger cars........

Spoiled?

If you ask me, a Pennsylvania Railroad fan isn't spoiled, but Special!  ...and this coming from a Texan you ask?  You bet!  The Penny ran through cars on The Katy, and don't forget the Penn Texas, or the Museum of the American Railroad in Frisco, TX, which includes GG1 4903 in it's collection.  It with 4901 pulled the Robert Kennedy funeral train, albeit painted in Penn Central glossy black, but not a single speck of dirt to be found anywhere on either G no less!

Pennsylvania Station in New York City.  More than a tragic loss, it's demolition was, and remain, a crime of the century!  Horseshoe Curve, four track mainline, a fantastic roster of power including the fleet of elegant GG1s, equipment, stations, electrification, Tuscan Red, Brunswick Green, Broadway Limited, the list goes on and on.  A modelers dream...or nightmare if you try to collect everything Pennsy.  Gads, what a thought...?  Not to forget my Lionel O Gauge love affair, though my parents couldn't afford to purchase for my birthday, The Congressional!

Item: A current stab today in any PRR railfan's Keystone heart is the deplorable condition of GP9 7048 displayed in the park at Horseshoe Curve.  Indeed, a disgrace to the human race, if there ever was one!

I too could go on and on and on, however, the OGR staff would probably run me off the property.

Pennsy fans aren't spoiled, but are special in many ways, because they've been blessed with a gift known as The Standard Railroad of the World.  Gone perhaps, but the PRR will never be forgotten, NEVER!

Joe

@Trinity River Bottoms Boomer posted:

Spoiled?

If you ask me, a Pennsylvania Railroad fan isn't spoiled, but Special!  ...and this coming from a Texan you ask?  You bet!  The Penny ran through cars on The Katy, and don't forget the Penn Texas, or the Museum of the American Railroad in Frisco, TX, which includes GG1 4903 in it's collection.  It with 4901 pulled the Robert Kennedy funeral train, albeit painted in Penn Central glossy black, but not a single speck of dirt to be found anywhere on either G no less!

Pennsylvania Station in New York City.  More than a tragic loss, it's demolition was, and remain, a crime of the century!  Horseshoe Curve, four track mainline, a fantastic roster of power including the fleet of elegant GG1s, equipment, stations, electrification, Tuscan Red, Brunswick Green, Broadway Limited, the list goes on and on.  A modelers dream...or nightmare if you try to collect everything Pennsy.  Gads, what a thought...?  Not to forget my Lionel O Gauge love affair, though my parents couldn't afford to purchase for my birthday, The Congressional!

Item: A current stab today in any PRR railfan's Keystone heart is the deplorable condition of GP9 7048 displayed in the park at Horseshoe Curve.  Indeed, a disgrace to the human race, if there ever was one!

I too could go on and on and on, however, the OGR staff would probably run me off the property.

Pennsy fans aren't spoiled, but are special in many ways, because they've been blessed with a gift known as The Standard Railroad of the World.

Yes, the Pennsylvania Railroad was "standard", while most other railroads were DELUX!

Gone perhaps, but the PRR will never be forgotten, NEVER!

Joe

Tell me about it, I was stuck on 11 scale K4's until I just picked up another Williams Brass K4 last week to round out the dozen..  Thank goodness!

@Trinity River Bottoms Boomer posted:

Spoiled?

If you ask me, a Pennsylvania Railroad fan isn't spoiled, but Special!  ...and this coming from a Texan you ask?  You bet!  The Penny ran through cars on The Katy, and don't forget the Penn Texas, or the Museum of the American Railroad in Frisco, TX, which includes GG1 4903 in it's collection.  It with 4901 pulled the Robert Kennedy funeral train, albeit painted in Penn Central glossy black, but not a single speck of dirt to be found anywhere on either G no less!

Pennsylvania Station in New York City.  More than a tragic loss, it's demolition was, and remain, a crime of the century!  Horseshoe Curve, four track mainline, a fantastic roster of power including the fleet of elegant GG1s, equipment, stations, electrification, Tuscan Red, Brunswick Green, Broadway Limited, the list goes on and on.  A modelers dream...or nightmare if you try to collect everything Pennsy.  Gads, what a thought...?  Not to forget my Lionel O Gauge love affair, though my parents couldn't afford to purchase for my birthday, The Congressional!

Item: A current stab today in any PRR railfan's Keystone heart is the deplorable condition of GP9 7048 displayed in the park at Horseshoe Curve.  Indeed, a disgrace to the human race, if there ever was one!

I too could go on and on and on, however, the OGR staff would probably run me off the property.

Pennsy fans aren't spoiled, but are special in many ways, because they've been blessed with a gift known as The Standard Railroad of the World.  Gone perhaps, but the PRR will never be forgotten, NEVER!

Joe

Do not forget the MoPac/T&P TX EAGLES.  for a very short while there was a through TX EAGLE.  Like months.  That train morphed into the PENN TEXAS.

G, I wonder why.

From a manufacturers standpoint you will always be able to sell larger numbers of a product to a larger fanbase. Not knocking D&H but having been in the business you'll never sell as much Delaware & Hudson as PRR - just a fact. We always referred to the best selling road names as the "Big 5" PRR, NYC, B&O, UP and ATSF (not necessarily in that order). Those are the roads that sell consistently in large enough numbers to justify tooling and multiple production runs.

@Lehigh74 posted:

I’ve been looking for streamlined MTH 18” passenger cars for my D&H Alcos for a week or so.  While I was at it, I thought I would look for some streamlined Pennsy cars for my GG1s to pull.  I have a dozen 18” PRR Madisons, but think that streamlined cars would look better with the GG1s.  It took only a few days to find a 5 car PRR set from 2004 and a matching 2 car set from 2006 (from different sellers).  I will eventually find a D&H set, but it will probably take a lot longer.  On the big auctions site there is currently over 100 offerings for PRR MTH passenger cars, but only about 6 for D&H.

Every once in a while this theme comes up, the big bad Pennsy well get used to it since the Pennsy was the big guy for a long time, so any comments derogatory about the PRR is … blasphemy. 

Or buy some cheap passenger cars and repaint them.

6 D&H passenger cars is a good start.

I have 25 different PRR passenger car, some streamliners, some smooth sides and some Pullman heavyweights and a few P70s. all of which I have seen many times on the PRR. So I need those cars for the much needed every week or so PRR fix.

Good gosh, that’s blasphemy.

They have lots of models available but lack in the color department. Coming for someone in Pennsylvania.

@PRRick posted:

They have lots of models available but lack in the color department. Coming for someone in Pennsylvania.

As a westerner I always like watching the SP, UP, WP, SF and other roads in the area because of their colorful equipment.  I probably would have done one or more of those roads if fate had not intervened.  After meeting my wife in the O'club in Iceland (something about a woman in uniform) I was drawn into the PRR circle by her father, a die hard Pennsy fan who rode Pennsy trains for 40 years and was into model trains (all Pennsy).

The lack of color doesn't bother me because of all the neat equipment the Pennsy had, especially their late super power steam.  And yes, most of that equipment has been made (multiple times) by one model manufacturer or another giving me lots of options

Dominic, indeed, the T&P put on it's own Class Act and didn't always follow the Mopac's standards.  Swamp Holly Orange or the blue and grey that replaced SHO for example.  When my step-dad moved the family to Tampa from Dallas in June 59 we rode T&P-L&N-SAL.  What still hurts my huge Texas heart is the fact the State Fair of Texas had T&P 638, that beautiful 2-10-4, sent to scrap.  Sure, the 610 survives, but 638 was special to me because my grandfather took me aboard and let me climb all over it and the tender too!

I love the Pennsy 2-10-4s too of course, but that's another story altogether.

If you must leave Texas, Go T&P!  Gads, we were talkin' Pennsy.  Another derailment.  I apologise.

Item: G, I wonder why?  I don't have the answer.  Sorry.

@PRRick posted:

They have lots of models available but lack in the color department. Coming for someone in Pennsylvania.

Yep.  I have more Pennsy locos than anything else by a long shot, but I would have even more if most of their engines weren't DGLE.

I've got quite a few PRR items. Mostly steam however I do have the fictional PRR Heritage SD70ACe from Lionel #1854. (Although if someone has a DD1 email me) Lionel Tuscan K4, RK PRR B6, Premier E6 #1600 (I'm on the hunt for #1281) Love them all. I also have the Trailblazer passenger set from Lionel (well just the sounds diner, I'm still looking for the rest) however, I love all the PRR stuff I have! Oh, I have a PRSL E6 too if that counts.

I always liked Tuscan- like Cap, I am a big fan of western roads, but my Pennsylvania fleet is outta control.

One day I shall lay in a set of 21” Fleet of Modernism cars.

D&H?  Easy paint job.  From memory, silver& blue, with yellow letters?  Find some K-Line, and repaint.

Did someone say the PRR?

@Trinity River Bottoms Boomer posted:

Sure, the 810 survives

I think you were talking about 610?

Growing up my brother and I would claim rights to a line based on region.

He was C&NW, NYC and Santa Fe. I was Milwaukee Road, Pennsy and Southern Pacific.

I think I won the east because of the GG1 and a lot of unique caboose styles.

Oh my, Dominic, the return of the fat finger.  The 6 got it.  Gads, now how did that pesky 8 get in the way...?

That said, everyone have a great Pennsy day!

Dennis,

How many different 3-rail models K-4s have been produced by all the manufacturers?  My count is as follows:

1. 3rdRail - Scale Unstreamlined (US) Pre-war and Post-war
2. K-Line - Scale US and Traditional US and Loewy
3. Lionel  - Scale US (K-Line tooling) and Traditional US and Loewy
4. MTH - Scale US (2 versions) and Traditional US
5. ROW - None
6. Weaver - Scale US and Loewy
7. Williams - Scale US and Bullet

Did I miss any?  Any errors?  when will Atlas release their K4?  Shall we count B6, E4, and T4 models?

Slap a Keystone on it and we'll buy it.

Jan

Those are current or recent I guess.  You also have Koh's, way back when you had two rail scale kits and customs by a bunch of suppliers and then all the Brass versions in the 50's and 60's and beyond.

Williams did both pre and post war versions as well.

I started out with the goal of acquiring one example of every MTH  locomotive the Pennsy operated during its history after about 50 locomotives i realize that was a bad idea. Not place to put them or the bankroll to acquire them!!!

PRRick - lacking in the color department????  Well, I guess it depends on the PRR period you want to model...

  PRR D6

PRR D6a

...of course I guess these are rather subdued when compared to something like...

The General McCallum

RJT, I hear you loud and clear.

P E N N $ Y

@bob2 posted:

D&H?  Easy paint job.  From memory, silver& blue, with yellow letters?  Find some K-Line, and repaint.

That's not a bad idea.  There are plenty of Santa Fe cars that could be used.  I could probably do a decent job on the paint.  The decals not so much.  At this point, the hunt has just started.  I'll keep looking for one of the MTH 18" D&H sets, but if I get impatient, I might just try the paint route...and as soon as I am done, a set of the D&H cars will show up.

It's also about the market. I'm not sure about all the collectors and operators who are not members of TCA but I believe 40% of TCA members are in Pennsylvania.

Some beautiful Pennsy stuff - thanks for the pictures!

Brunswick green is my favorite color.  Black with a couple drops of green.  Just says class.  Not a PRR fan, not not a fan.  I do like that color.  I always thought it would look great on one of those classic autos they restore on one of those car shows.  I used it in the lettering for signs for my biz.  I like to think my style is simple elegance.  Brunswick green does that for me.

William1 - at least one person took their Z-28 and painted it Brunswick Green - complete with gold striping down the side.  I saw the car many, many moons ago going east when I was somewhere in Nevada going west.  I remember thinking maybe I would see the car at York sometime - never did - but there was one other individual who was a TCA member who did the same thing with his van - that too was a long time ago.

@Robert S. Butler posted:

William1 - at least one person took their Z-28 and painted it Brunswick Green - complete with gold striping down the side.  I saw the car many, many moons ago going east when I was somewhere in Nevada going west.  I remember thinking maybe I would see the car at York sometime - never did - but there was one other individual who was a TCA member who did the same thing with his van - that too was a long time ago.

I thought about doing that to the widows on the Camper Shell on back of my Metallic Red F250 just haven't found anyone in Central PA to do it or the Courage to do it, besides I am cheap and the money sent on the paint could go along way on the layout. Maybe if I got a comfortable quote I could reconsider. I also love the Tuscan color with Gold Strips like they did the Fleet of Modernism.

Oneonta - Regarding your statement "I wish Lionel would knock out a decent (emphasis added) set of D&H passenger cars..."

They already have.  IMO Lionel's D&H aluminum passenger car 4-pack (6-15313) and accompanying 2-car add-on set (6-29155) - both of which are currently on the big 'e' auction site - are well above 'decent' and, among other things, include die-cast metal sprung trucks and operating couplers as well as authentically detailed interiors and passenger figures. Moreover they've become one of my favorite passenger consists aesthetically speaking, track well and look great behind either my matching Lionel D&H Alco PA ABA set or my Lionel D&H RF-16 (Sharknose) ABA diesels.   

@Lehigh74 posted:

That's not a bad idea.  There are plenty of Santa Fe cars that could be used.  I could probably do a decent job on the paint.  The decals not so much.  At this point, the hunt has just started.  I'll keep looking for one of the MTH 18" D&H sets, but if I get impatient, I might just try the paint route...and as soon as I am done, a set of the D&H cars will show up.

The real D&H did with the PA's they bought from the ATSF.

Here is my latest...

@BucksCo posted:

From a manufacturers standpoint you will always be able to sell larger numbers of a product to a larger fanbase. Not knocking D&H but having been in the business you'll never sell as much Delaware & Hudson as PRR - just a fact. We always referred to the best selling road names as the "Big 5" PRR, NYC, B&O, UP and ATSF (not necessarily in that order). Those are the roads that sell consistently in large enough numbers to justify tooling and multiple production runs.

But what happened to the N&W?

After moving down to Florida I sold off the bulk of my O gauge equipment (no where to run them).  I did keep three pieces, all Pennsy.

MTH G5s 4-6-0 PS2 which I detailed and painted as LIRR #30.

Lionel E6s #68 Legacy which started out as a Santa Fe E6s 4-4-2 (?) which I repainted and replaced the smokebox front with the one from Lionel with #68 on it.

Weaver GG1 #4816 5 stripe DGLE conventional brass scale size, a gift from a good friend.

Stuart