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Last night a couple guys from the club came over as well as Pine creek Dave from here on the forum  to help break in the new ZWL. I posted a few days ago about how the 8 bricks were replaced  with just one of these ZWLs and is now the one and only source of power for track power on my layout. We wrecked trains for a good 6 hours  , testing out the breakers. Performed as advertised all night. They are even talking about replacing all 4 of our club transformers with 1 ZWL for the club modular layouts. A little less to carry.

 

 

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Tommy "DOC" Shepler layout supervisor and bouncer.

 

 

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Good morning Patrick, Looked like a great time.

 

Your layout is one of the finest layout's I've ever seen. The size of it is just the type I want to build when I purchase my new home in year's to come. It's one of my favorite layouts on the forum, just incredible. Thanks for sharing.

 

P.S. Patrick I would love to see a video with the camera mounted on a flat car going around your whole layout. I'm sure it would be a really fun ride.

 

Thanks, Alex

That really is mouth-dropping, beautiful, Patrick H. Your consistent artistic expression throughout everything is inspiring, imbuing the whole layout with a unity that makes everything look very real, indeed. I'll be pouring over every photo for quite a while. You know how to play, man! Thanks for the privilege of the peek here. It's nice to see somebody from my hometown area having such a good ol' time of it with trains. To me, the whole layout looks and feels like Pennsylvania.

Frank M.

Patrick’s layout is simply breathtaking, as is his beautiful home. Pictures give you a hint of what it is, but cannot convey the magnitude, extent of detail, and overall impression as when it is seeing in person.

 

There may be a few, very few, model railroaders that have the willpower and posses the skills necessary to attempt to build an empire similar to Patrick’s. But I am sure that none exist that could do it in the approximately two years that took Patrick to complete his unique masterpiece. He has paid careful attention to every corner, flat surface, hill, rock, structure, turnout signal, etc., and has made it look ‘real’.

 

My wife Judy and I had the distinct privilege of being Patrick’s and his wife’s guests last year, and it was an experience to cherish.

 

 Thank you for sharing, Patrick!

 

Alex

We always have a super time running trains passing the BS and eating great food. I am a conventional guy but I did not take a train to run. Get home from work at 6 them I spent about 45 min with the wife and out the door. Next time I will take something to run.

That ZWL has me thinking about selling my 2 Z4000s and getting one.

I dont have a layout at home to run my big steamers so it is very nice Patrik has us over to play trains.

 

 

question :  how could 1 ZW-L replace 8 bricks?  Were they 180 watt bricks?  That would be 1440 watts.  I mean I want to run at least 4 passenger trains at once plus accessories.  Is 1 ZW-L enough?  Some will be ABBA units with up to 6 motors, Plus passenger car lighting.  Were you testing a huge load or just running one or two trains?
Thanks
 
 
 
Originally Posted by Patrick H:

Last night a couple guys from the club came over as well as Pine creek Dave from here on the forum  to help break in the new ZWL. I posted a few days ago about how the 8 bricks were replaced  with just one of these ZWLs and is now the one and only source of power for track power on my layout. We wrecked trains for a good 6 hours  , testing out the breakers. Performed as advertised all night. They are even talking about replacing all 4 of our club transformers with 1 ZWL for the club modular layouts. A little less to carry.

 

 

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Wow guys , alot of nice words.  I really, really  appreciate it.
 
 
 
Allan ,  I am 1 hour from you.
 
  
 
 
Originally Posted by SandJam:
question :  how could 1 ZW-L replace 8 bricks?  Were they 180 watt bricks?  That would be 1440 watts.  I mean I want to run at least 4 passenger trains at once plus accessories.  Is 1 ZW-L enough?  Some will be ABBA units with up to 6 motors, Plus passenger car lighting.  Were you testing a huge load or just running one or two trains?
Thanks

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Sean,

 

 

 

The answer to your question . If you read the post  about the New ZW L  , I had 4 mainlines divided into 8 blocks with 1 brick on each block. I was seriously concerned that the new ZWL wouldnt handle it. Now each of the 4 mainlines is on 1 Leg or TR of the ZWL. Mentioned in the thread, tested we could not overload it with the 30 passenger cars and 14 smoke units going.

 

 

So is 1 ZWL  enough. I dont know depends on what is your enough.

It is for me.  I use completely seperate wiring and transformers for anything not connected to the track to avoid signal issues.So I saved 2 bricks and 2 powermasters for the town lights and whatever power for switches etc..

 

 

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Originally Posted by Pine Creek Railroad:

Andy,

   You definitely missed a real nice evening at Patrick's house, don't remember running any Conventionals that night, but we did have a couple real nice DCS Mon Switches pulling some serious passenger cars.

PCRR/Dave

 

 

 

Thanks, Dave.  Running PS2/3 engines in conventional was what I was thinking, considering the ZW-L's capability to run conventional via Legacy.  It would be ideal for the club, since we don't need most of the DCS features when we are running a display.  One of these would allow us to run everything via Legacy!

 

In any case, I know what transformer I will be buying when I build my permanent layout.

 

Andy

Originally Posted by Patrick H:
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So is 1 ZWL  enough. I dont know depends on what is your enough.

It is for me.  I use completely seperate wiring and transformers for anything not connected to the track to avoid signal issues.So I saved 2 bricks and 2 powermasters for the town lights and whatever power for switches etc..

 

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Some folks will choose to run more than one ZW-L simply because they "can" rather than because it's what they "need".  Think back to Lionel's wonderful 1949 showroom layout in Manhattan.  That  puppy was "only" 16x32, and was basically composed of concentric loops.  But I'll never forget the WOW factor when I saw a picture featuring an entire bank of ZW's at the helm.  That was the 1940's toy train version of the starship Enterprise.    Amazing!

 

Patrick, you need at least one more ZW-L for the effect!!!  

 

David

 

Ok so it sounds like should be no problem running 4 heavy load passenger trains at once.  I ordered 2 ZW-L's originally, so 1 for the tracks and the other for all other lighting, accessories, switches. etc and I can get rid of all my other transformers, bricks.  I just wanted to make sure it wasn't being overhyped in its power.
Thanks
 
 
Originally Posted by SandJam:
question :  how could 1 ZW-L replace 8 bricks?  Were they 180 watt bricks?  That would be 1440 watts.  I mean I want to run at least 4 passenger trains at once plus accessories.  Is 1 ZW-L enough?  Some will be ABBA units with up to 6 motors, Plus passenger car lighting.  Were you testing a huge load or just running one or two trains?
Thanks

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Sean,

 

you can edit you  response  if you like, that way all the pictures dont have to be repeated all over again. Go to edit in your response then cut all the pics out of your reply.

 

 

The answer to your question is simple. If you read the post  about the New ZW L  , I had 4 mainlines divided into 8 blocks with 1 brick on each block. I was seriously concerned that the new ZWL wouldnt handle it. Now each of the 4 mainlines is on 1 Leg or TR of the ZWL. Mentioned in the thread, tested we could not overload it with the 30 passenger cars and 14 smoke units going.

 

 

So is 1 ZWL  enough. I dont know depends on what is your enough.

It is for me.  I use completely seperate wiring and transformers for anything not connected to the track to avoid signal issues.So I saved 2 bricks and 2 powermasters for the town lights and whatever power for switches etc..

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sean,

   No over hype, if you have 2 of these new ZW-L transformers I doubt you will ever need anything else.  Patrick engineers like me however, and uses different transformers for anything not connected to the tracks for running trains.  Remember however these ZW-L transformers are not in-expensive.  Patrick was very patient with everyone as we got use to running his trains, the ZW-L was a lot more powerful than I expected, and he was not kidding about wrecking trains, thru out the night, as we tested the ZW-L's power.     

PCRR/Dave

Originally Posted by SandJam:
Ok so it sounds like should be no problem running 4 heavy load passenger trains at once.  I ordered 2 ZW-L's originally, so 1 for the tracks and the other for all other lighting, accessories, switches. etc and I can get rid of all my other transformers, bricks.  I just wanted to make sure it wasn't being overhyped in its power.
Thanks
 

Sean,

 

You do know this is all in fun. If your basing your decision on us clowning around here, your in trouble.

Go to the electrical forum and ask your question from people who actually know what they re talking about mathmatically with the voltage and amps vs  what you want to run. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Originally Posted by Patrick H:

You do know this is all in fun. If your basing your decision on us clowning around here, your in trouble.

Go to the electrical forum and ask your question from people who actually know what they re talking about mathmatically with the voltage and amps vs  what you want to run. 

 

 

Excellent advice!!!  There's really no mystery here, and there's nothing "magical" about the new ZW-L.  It either delivers 180 watts per channel (up to the maximum output of 620 watts total at any point in time) or it doesn't.  Look at what you NEED, and plan accordingly.  You can't fight the laws of physics. 

 

That being said... I'm keeping a close eye on this space, and am very interested in the working dynamics and little nuances that the ZW-L bring to the table... some of which we'll learn only as early-adopters use what appears to be a very promising piece of equipment.

 

David

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