Please help identifying these early pre-war pieces

The ticket office and the passenger platform are Ives.

The passenger platform is listed as No. 119 Station and the ticket office is listed as No. 114 Station in the catalog I have.  The copyright date on the catalog is 1907.

  One thing worth noting - the 1907 catalog indicates there should be tabbed signage on the roofs of both structures however a later catalog (can't find a copyright date) shows the same buildings without signage.

Will

I love train lights and lamps.  Always looking for unusual ones that are affordable. Some of them can command very high prices.  I believe you are correct about the one that uses oil. I have one very similar. The pole is hollow and sealed at the bottom.  Mine has a stamp on the base “Bavaria” .  I have not tried to use it.  

The tall one held a candle.  I believe this is Ives.I have never seen the one with the flower on it. But it is definitely cool.

I have an old Ives semaphore that the solder needed to be repaired.  A soldering gun was used.  So it can be repaired.  It is in bad shape but I like it.

I believe the train station is Ives.  Found this one on Ivestrains.org.  Look under the section for accessories.  Here is the platform.

Not exact but close.  Here is the semaphore.

My guess it is all Ives stuff.  Early  1910 - 1020 time frame.  Very cool.  There seems to be a lot of opinions on if it should be restored.  I would love to rewire some of my lights if I could find the appropriate type cloth wire. That’s been a challenge.

Ives items are very collectible.  Awesome collection.

@Robert S. Butler posted:

The ticket office and the passenger platform are Ives.

The passenger platform is listed as No. 119 Station and the ticket office is listed as No. 114 Station in the catalog I have.  The copyright date on the catalog is 1907.

  One thing worth noting - the 1907 catalog indicates there should be tabbed signage on the roofs of both structures however a later catalog (can't find a copyright date) shows the same buildings without signage.

Thank you, Robert!! I went to the Ives site Dusty recommended IvesTrains.org. Station appears to be as early as 1906 and platform as early as 1905. The platform roof does have 4 holes and a lighter area of lithograph where the signs would have been. The semaphore would be 1906-09 with the litho girders. This makes sense as my grandfather would have been 7 in 1906.

@Dusty Tumbleweed posted:

Will

I love train lights and lamps.  Always looking for unusual ones that are affordable. Some of them can command very high prices.  I believe you are correct about the one that uses oil. I have one very similar. The pole is hollow and sealed at the bottom.  Mine has a stamp on the base “Bavaria” .  I have not tried to use it.  

The tall one held a candle.  I believe this is Ives.I have never seen the one with the flower on it. But it is definitely cool.

I have an old Ives semaphore that the solder needed to be repaired.  A soldering gun was used.  So it can be repaired.  It is in bad shape but I like it.

I believe the train station is Ives.  Found this one on Ivestrains.org.  Look under the section for accessories.  Here is the platform.

Not exact but close.  Here is the semaphore.

My guess it is all Ives stuff.  Early  1910 - 1020 time frame.  Very cool.  There seems to be a lot of opinions on if it should be restored.  I would love to rewire some of my lights if I could find the appropriate type cloth wire. That’s been a challenge.

Ives items are very collectible.  Awesome collection.

Thank you Dusty!! I guess I'm an Ives collector now. I posted some dates in my reply to Robert. Thanks for the Ives website tip.

Was Ives strictly clockwork at this time?

Now to identify the lamposts. BTW, the photos of your lampposts didn't come through.

Very nice Will. the semaphore is really cool.

@Dusty Tumbleweed posted:

......  I would love to rewire some of my lights if I could find the appropriate type cloth wire. That’s been a challenge.

Try the supply outlets for people who restore old electric guitars and amps...that's where I found some of the cloth covered wire in the heavier gages. If it's light gage, like 20 ,22 or 24, some of the antique train supply houses have that.

You have some very nice pieces here and family origin is a great plus.

The telegraph post is definetely Marklin from 1904, having four of them is really nice... wish I could find one...  The one streetlamp is also Marklin from the exact same period, 1904. It has been made in blue and brown as is yours. Sorry but no idea of the third one, maybe Arne will know better than me.

Very best,  Daniel

New at this. Trying photos again.

Did it work?

Great to see you today Will! Very nice pieces! The station and platform are my favorites. Dusty, the lamp with the ladder is neat, reminds me of Bing but am no expert.

Dusty - I'm not sure if you are asking a question or just providing a picture of the bottom of the lamp. If you are asking a question then the stamped trademark is  GBN - Bing

@Robert S. Butler posted:

Dusty - I'm not sure if you are asking a question or just providing a picture of the bottom of the lamp. If you are asking a question then the stamped trademark is  GBN - Bing

Thanks.  I was not sure of the manufacturer was.

@G-Man24 posted:

Try the supply outlets for people who restore old electric guitars and amps...that's where I found some of the cloth covered wire in the heavier gages. If it's light gage, like 20 ,22 or 24, some of the antique train supply houses have that.

Thanks for the tip.  Will check them out.

Davis Lyons at davis@wire-plex.com has a good selection of wire for Lionel and Flyer including transformer parts

I have two of the lamps with the ladder.They are stamped in the metal and also rubber stamped.Someone crossed out something else on both of them I really can't read what it says maybe someone with better eyes can.

@G-Man24 posted:

Very nice Will. the semaphore is really cool.

Thanks, Gerry. BYW, you grabbed Fatman's logo. Did you move to Austrailia? If not you better grab mine.

@FRENCHTRAINS posted:

You have some very nice pieces here and family origin is a great plus.

The telegraph post is definetely Marklin from 1904, having four of them is really nice... wish I could find one...  The one streetlamp is also Marklin from the exact same period, 1904. It has been made in blue and brown as is yours. Sorry but no idea of the third one, maybe Arne will know better than me.

Very best,  Daniel

Daniel if I have 4 of something you have none of, they must be rare!! Thanks for the ID on the streetlamp. Assuming that is the small hooded one with the wire spiral.

Jim - they are both Bing and the painted out portion would be the either "Bavaria" or "Germany". The lamps are 10/641 and were offered for sale from 1928-32.  As for crossing out - Bing chose to remove the subtext after WWI and just have the BW logo.  My guess would be this was an after the fact attempt at origin removal - what is curious is your picture gives the impression of an attempt to cross out the embossed origin as well - which is odd given that the embossing is done so that it reads correctly on the other side.

@Dusty Tumbleweed posted:

See them now. I love the one with the giant globe.

Still a mystery here. This seems to be the same one @jim mcclain posted- although his is electrified. If they are Bing, that seems to eliminate Bing as the manufacturer of mine.

Mine is a little more ornate- different base and the head unscrews neatly from the stem. Definitely oil. I am going to get brave and find a wick, some lamp oil, and try it out!

@Will posted:

Thanks, Gerry. BYW, you grabbed Fatman's logo. Did you move to Austrailia? If not you better grab mine.

Ha, I didn't even notice. I grabbed it because it was scaled down a little. Now I have to work on my Aussie accent!

@John H. Shetler posted:

Davis Lyons at davis@wire-plex.com has a good selection of wire for Lionel and Flyer including transformer parts

Just checked the web page that looks like a good source.

Just to clarify - the lamps with ladders are Bing - Dusty's has GBN embossed on the base and Jim's has BW both embossed and rubber stamped - both were trademarks for Bing. The change over in logo occurred around 1920. 

Will,  have a look here and you will find your Marklin lamp. Bing has also produced a very similar one.

https://historytoy.com/marklin...-on-square-cast-base

Daniel

@FRENCHTRAINS posted:

Will,  have a look here and you will find your Marklin lamp. Bing has also produced a very similar one.

https://historytoy.com/marklin...-on-square-cast-base

Daniel

That's  it! The site says 1900-1924, a long period of manufacture. So is this the lamp you were referencing in your earlier reply? Or are both lamps Marklin, including this one?

@Will posted:

That's  it! The site says 1900-1924, a long period of manufacture. So is this the lamp you were referencing in your earlier reply? Or are both lamps Marklin, including this one?

I am sorry Will but I do not know who made this one, the oil one  is Marklin but this one is harder to identified.  Daniel