I just set up my layout and I'm using the MTH Z4000 to run two trains. I have an old MRC transformer that I want to use for a third line. I hooked it up to one of the tracks that I had on the Z4000 on to try it out. When I tried to run a train the engine began to move then stopped. The red light was blinking on the Z4000 (Track 2 throttle I believe) Soon I noticed a small amount of smoke come off of the lionel fast track that connects to the transformer. I'm not sure what I did or what happened. Can anyone offer some insight? Also I notice that when the trains were running on the Z one line slowed up quite a bit. Any help would be much appreciated. thanks.
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Check the transformers to ensure that the Z4000 and the MRC are in phase with respect to each other.
Thanks, but I'm not sure what that means.
Swap the wires on the MRC transformer.
Even though it's AC, it still has a sort of "polarity" to it. It's not actually polarity in the sense of DC + and -, but it is easier to think of it as *LIKE* polarity without getting into a long-winded explanation that will make your eyes glaze over
From pages 67-68 of The DCS O Gauge Companion 2nd Edition:
Phasing Transformers
All transformers are plugged into AC electrical outlets that have either two or three prongs. The vertical slit openings are for AC Hot and Common while the round opening, if present, is for earth ground. The following discussion relates to the Hot and Common openings.
Modern transformers have AC plugs where one blade is slightly broader than the other. This allows the AC plug to be inserted into the outlet in only one way. However, not all transformers were manufactured with the blades in the correct orientation. Postwar transformers generally lack this blade orientation altogether, allowing them to be plugged into an AC outlet in two ways. Regardless of which transformers you use with your layout, if you use more than one transformer it's important that they all be in phase with each other to eliminate the possibility of inadvertently creating dangerously high voltages. This can occur when locomotives or passenger cars with dual pickup rollers bridge two sections of track powered by different transformers, or when a transformer other than a track power transformer is used to power switch motors wired for non-derailing operation.
To ensure that multiple transformers are in phase:
1. Start by plugging any two transformers into AC outlets of the same power strip or the same wall outlet
2. Turn on both transformers and set the output of each transformer to zero
3. Connect a wire from any Common terminal of one transformer to any Common terminal of the other transformer
4. Connect two wires, one to a Hot terminal of one transformer and the other to a Hot terminal of the other transformer
5. Set both transformers to as close to the same voltage as possible, at or above 10 volts
6. Select one of the following three ways to now test to see if the two transformers are in phase or not:
• Briefly touch the wires connected to the two Hot terminals to each other. If a spark results the transformers are not in phase. If there is no spark, they are in phase
• Using a voltmeter, measure the AC voltage between the two wires connected to the Hot terminals. If it is approximately twice the value of the voltage to which the transformers are set, they are not in phase. If it's less than a few volts, they are in phase
• Connect an 18 volt light bulb between the two wires connected to the Hot terminals of the two transformers. If the bulb glows brightly the transformers are not in phase. If the bulb is dim or does not light at all, the transformers are in phase.
7. If the transformers are not in phase, reverse the AC plug of one of them in the outlet and repeat the test. This may be difficult if the transformer has a plug where one blade is broader than the other
8. Now, repeat the above procedure using one of the two transformers that are now in phase (either one is fine) and the next transformer that will be used on the layout. In step 7, if the two transformers are not in phase, reverse the plug of the transformer just added to the test, not the one that was previously tested
9. Continue the above process until all transformers to be used on the layout are in phase.
Once the transformers are in phase, mark the AC plugs of all tested transformers so that you'll always know the correct orientation for plugging them into AC outlets.
This and a whole lot more is all in MTH’s “The DCS O Gauge Companion 2nd Edition", available for purchase as an eBook or a printed book at MTH's web store!
How old is the MRC. A lot of the O scale power packs from MRC from the 80's use a chopped sine wave.
Thanks everyone for your help. I'm not to savvy when it comes to electrical stuff. I have a friend who is an electrician and hopefully he will be able to figure it out. I'm still having trouble with the fast track accessory activator pack. The crossing gate is activated when I power up and stays on. I can't get it to stop when the train passes. As for the MRC it is still acting strange. I guess I'm not too sure how to hook it all up. I wish I could find a train guy near me to show me. But I'm still having fun!
taki53,
i see you're in NY, well so am i but for what it's worth NY is one big state! Plus you don't have your email listed in your profile - makes it kind of tough to contact you off forum.
jackson -- in upstate NY, 200 miles north of NYC, 250 miles east of Buffalo, and 225 miles south southeast of Montreal! Like i said, BIG state
Hi. I'm near Poughkeepsie, about an hour north of NYC. My email is taki53@aol.com.
OK, taki53, that's a bit far for me; as i recall Poughkeepsie is south of Kingston and Kingston is 100 miles south of me.
There should be someone here that lives near you - keep posting for help if you can't fix the problem from some of the very good assistance that's already been posted.
jackson
Have you actually tried anything?
There are only two options: In phase, and not in phase. Swapping the wires running from the MRC to the track will make it go from one to the other.
Right now you are exhibiting the classic symptoms of out of phase transformers.