(probable) dumb question from TMCC newbie

Is the cc 773 Hudson a Tmcc loco?

Mike,

Have you reviewed this, especially pages 7-12 ?

https://www.lionelsupport.com/...ents/71-8058-250.pdf

On a TMCC engine in conventional when the switch is in Run the locomotive has F,N,R functionality, in Lock the locomotive is locked in one direction. So when programming a locomotive address in TMCC you want the switch in Lock/Program then move it to Run after you're done programming the locomotive. If the CC 773 Hudson has a wireless drawbar you will have to flip the switch on BOTH the locomotive and tender to program them. 

Lou1985 posted:

On a TMCC engine in conventional when the switch is in Run the locomotive has F,N,R functionality, in Lock the locomotive is locked in one direction. So when programming a locomotive address in TMCC you want the switch in Lock/Program then move it to Run after you're done programming the locomotive. If the CC 773 Hudson has a wireless drawbar you will have to flip the switch on BOTH the locomotive and tender to program them. 

When programming the engine, you only need to flip the switch on the engine to program.  There are no switches you need to set on the tender.  There is nothing to program on the tender.  When you power up the track (assuming the command base is already on), does the Hudson give you railsounds right away or does it wait until you address it?  If it starts up with sounds, then the engine is not detecting the command signal.  You will need to pull the shell off and check the antenna wire to ensure its properly connected to the handrails and that the handrails are not grounded.  If all that checks out, the LCRU may be faulty.  I believe the LCRUs have a tuning pot.  I've had luck adjusting the tuning pot so it can detect the command signal.  You would only need to tweak it a little bit.

Joe Fermani posted:

Lou1985 posted:

On a TMCC engine in conventional when the switch is in Run the locomotive has F,N,R functionality, in Lock the locomotive is locked in one direction. So when programming a locomotive address in TMCC you want the switch in Lock/Program then move it to Run after you're done programming the locomotive. If the CC 773 Hudson has a wireless drawbar you will have to flip the switch on BOTH the locomotive and tender to program them. 

When programming the engine, you only need to flip the switch on the engine to program.  There are no switches you need to set on the tender.  There is nothing to program on the tender.  When you power up the track (assuming the command base is already on), does the Hudson give you railsounds right away or does it wait until you address it?  If it starts up with sounds, then the engine is not detecting the command signal.  You will need to pull the shell off and check the antenna wire to ensure its properly connected to the handrails and that the handrails are not grounded.  If all that checks out, the LCRU may be faulty.  I believe the LCRUs have a tuning pot.  I've had luck adjusting the tuning pot so it can detect the command signal.  You would only need to tweak it a little bit.

That's right. I brain farted thinking about the mid-late 90's F3s where you had to program the powered A unit and the trailing B unit with Railsounds separately. The steam locomotives had only one switch.  

Mike, would this help...Paul

Transformer operations 8 Your 773 Hudson in the TrainMaster Command environment Lionel TrainMaster Command is the fun and sophisticated model railroad control system from Lionel. Your 773 Hudson features the Liontech Command reverse unit, which acts as both a conventional reverse unit as well as the key to unlocking many extra features when you operate in Command mode. TrainMaster Command gives you the power to operate multiple Commandequipped locomotives on the same track, at the same time. It’s the most fun you can have with electric trains, and it’s incredibly easy too! Just follow the directions below and you’ll be on your way. To operate in Command, you need a Command Base and a CAB-1 remote. Find them both at your authorized Lionel retailer. Place your 773 Hudson on Lionel or Lionelcompatible O gauge track. • Make sure track power is OFF before placing it on track. • Make sure your Lionel Command Base is ON and its communications wire is connected to the COMMON post on your Lionel transformer or the U on any of your installed PowerMasters. • Once positioned on the track, increase track voltage to FULL (on PowerMaster, slide the CMD/CONV switch to CMD). Address your 773 Hudson with CAB-1. • Press ENG and 1 on the numeric keypad of your CAB-1 remote. This command is sent by CAB-1 to the Command Base, which then translates your commands into digital code. That code is sent around your railroad’s outside rails in the form of a digital “halo.” All Command-equipped Lionels listen to this digital communication, but they do not respond until they hear their own ID number. • The digital language of TrainMaster Command—and not track power—controls the actions of Command-equipped Lionels. Track power is simply like gasoline in the tank of your car—it gives you the power to go places, but it doesn’t tell you where to go or how fast to get there. • All Command-equipped Lionels come factory-programmed with an ID# of “1.” To change your 773 Hudson’s ID#, see page 12. Move ‘em out! • Throttle up or press any command button on CAB-1. Your 773 Hudson will respond to your every command. Read on. The fun is just beginning! 1 2 3

paul 2 posted:

Mike, would this help...Paul

Transformer operations 8 Your 773 Hudson in the TrainMaster Command environment Lionel TrainMaster Command is the fun and sophisticated model railroad control system from Lionel. Your 773 Hudson features the Liontech Command reverse unit, which acts as both a conventional reverse unit as well as the key to unlocking many extra features when you operate in Command mode. TrainMaster Command gives you the power to operate multiple Commandequipped locomotives on the same track, at the same time. It’s the most fun you can have with electric trains, and it’s incredibly easy too! Just follow the directions below and you’ll be on your way. To operate in Command, you need a Command Base and a CAB-1 remote. Find them both at your authorized Lionel retailer. Place your 773 Hudson on Lionel or Lionelcompatible O gauge track. • Make sure track power is OFF before placing it on track. • Make sure your Lionel Command Base is ON and its communications wire is connected to the COMMON post on your Lionel transformer or the U on any of your installed PowerMasters. • Once positioned on the track, increase track voltage to FULL (on PowerMaster, slide the CMD/CONV switch to CMD). Address your 773 Hudson with CAB-1. • Press ENG and 1 on the numeric keypad of your CAB-1 remote. This command is sent by CAB-1 to the Command Base, which then translates your commands into digital code. That code is sent around your railroad’s outside rails in the form of a digital “halo.” All Command-equipped Lionels listen to this digital communication, but they do not respond until they hear their own ID number. • The digital language of TrainMaster Command—and not track power—controls the actions of Command-equipped Lionels. Track power is simply like gasoline in the tank of your car—it gives you the power to go places, but it doesn’t tell you where to go or how fast to get there. • All Command-equipped Lionels come factory-programmed with an ID# of “1.” To change your 773 Hudson’s ID#, see page 12. Move ‘em out! • Throttle up or press any command button on CAB-1. Your 773 Hudson will respond to your every command. Read on. The fun is just beginning! 1 2 3

That's what was in the third post, above.

The run/program switch could be wired backwards. Try programming the engine in what you think the run mode is. It could be wired incorrectly. Seen this happen on KLine engines.

It WORKS!!  I tried everything in the instructions, and the suggestions above- found once I took the "hood" off the antenna plug-in was loose.  Went through the programming procedure- viola!!

The Century Club 773 is beautiful, but .... not very smooth- speed varies a LOT more than the Legacy or even my GP7 TMCC.  Looks like a further upgrade is needed- can motor, cruise control, what??

Or just get a newer model?? 

Mike,

The 773 hudson probably has a pullmor motor which needs to be run so it will become a smoother running engine. Also, set the stall setting, it is in the book on how to do that and set the momentum on the cab-1 to M. It won't take off like a horse out of the starting gate.

Any questions, post them here or email me under my profile.

Ted

Thanks to all who assisted!!  I did set the stall as Ted suggested and that did help, so thanks!!