George....that custom painted bus is fantastic!
Peter
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George....that custom painted bus is fantastic!
Peter
@Putnam Division posted:George....that custom painted bus is fantastic!
Peter
Thank you, Peter! Tommy Gilbert told me that was the hardest thing to paint he's ever done. I participate in a monthly Zoom meeting with some other Pennsy nuts (mostly HO) and showed them the bus. They were raving over it and asked where I got it and who did the paint job. Tommy's probably going to pull out his hair. I can't imagine trying to paint an HO version of this thing.
"A man's got to know his limitations" - Dirty Harry Which is why I had Tommy paint it; it's waaaay beyond my skillset.
George
Updated 1/31/2022:
Additional research has finally paid off in a clearer understanding of the Open Hearth. It turns out that the extension of the building referred to in one of my recent posts is not the Cinder Yard. It is an extension of the Pouring Floor. The Cinder Yard was located behind the mill and was out in the open. Someone who worked in the mill and walked that area daily put me in the know. And because there are very few photos of that area (I haven't seen one yet), I wouldn't have known that. After all the last time I walked that particular stretch of mill property was 1973.
Anyway, the clouds continue to part and despite my best efforts, clarity emerges.
George
@G3750 posted:Updated 1/31/2022:
Someone who worked in the mill and walked that area daily put me in the know.
Ya can't go wrong with someone sharing first hand experience of an area! That's a top notch source.
Updated 2/3/2022:
It wasn't very glamorous or photogenic, but I spent a lot of the day with a calculator, fraction to decimal conversion table, and my Visio program creating 3 views of an open hearth furnace - top, front (charging side), and rear (pouring side). Along with accurate dimensions, I have found some Plastruct "shortcuts" to creating various prototypical appearances. Tomorrow, I hope to start building the first of the furnace fronts & tops. We'll see how that goes, learn from the experience, and then see if we can't apply those lessons to the next 3.
More when I know it.
George
Updated 2/9/2022:
Spoke with Tommy Gilbert today and he confirmed the second bus has been completed and is being shipped to me.
It turned better than the first one, which I thought was spectacular.
George
The buses in Youngstown provide an important service these days but it would awesome if they were painted up like that.
Updated 2/10/2022:
More when I know it.
George
@BillYo414 posted:The buses in Youngstown provide an important service these days but it would awesome if they were painted up like that.
Back in my day these buses were on rubber tires but were electric powered from overhead .
Ron
Someone on Facebook just posted a photo of one of those buses on Wilson Ave (I think) with Campbell works in the background. Pretty cool! Looks a lot like the bus sitting up Woodland Ave in Youngstown in somebody's yard. I didn't know we had electric buses like that in the past. I find it very interesting!
@BillYo414 posted:Someone on Facebook just posted a photo of one of those buses on Wilson Ave (I think) with Campbell works in the background. Pretty cool! Looks a lot like the bus sitting up Woodland Ave in Youngstown in somebody's yard. I didn't know we had electric buses like that in the past. I find it very interesting!
Nice thing about these creatures they just would "go" on the road. They would go on the street in and around traffic. As far as I am concerned a much better cost effective mass transit over a trolley and/or train.
Ron
Updated 2/15/2022:
More when I know it.
George
Updated 2/17/2022:
Life got in the way of much layout work today, but the 2nd bus did arrive. Here are the pair:
A huge thanks and tip of the hat to Tommy Gilbert for his beautiful paint jobs.
More when I know it.
George
Tommy did a wonderful job on those!!
Updated 2/17/2022:
Work continues on the Open Hearth. I've made some decisions and changes in approach:
If it sounds like this model is taking up a lot of space, that is absolutely true. Over the past few weeks, I've cleared the workshop of other projects and cleaned up some storage boxes. I was also able to deliver some items I had sold, freeing up more space. That's good, because I'm still building pieces and sub-assemblies of the mill, with the floor and integration yet to come. And we still have the electronics to work through.
More when I know it.
George
Updated 2/19/2022:
All 3 half-trusses are DONE!!!
George
Excellent!!
Updated 2/24/2022:
More when I know it.
George
That's good you have enough plywood, but bummer on the printer
George, looking great!!! Spent 25 yrs in a steel mill here in Warren, Ohio remember it very well.
Jeff
@jjames9641 posted:George, looking great!!! Spent 25 yrs in a steel mill here in Warren, Ohio remember it very well.
Jeff
Hi Jeff, was that Copperweld or Republic by chance?
Ron
Hi Ron,
Republic Steel in Warren, later to be known as LTV, WCI Steel, Severstal, an finally RG Steel before closing down for good in 2012. It is now literally a field!! Copperweld still has some buildings standing but closed of course. What a shame
@jjames9641 posted:Hi Ron,
Republic Steel in Warren, later to be known as LTV, WCI Steel, Severstal, an finally RG Steel before closing down for good in 2012. It is now literally a field!! Copperweld still has some buildings standing but closed of course. What a shame
I was born, raised, and matured in Youngstown. I am sure you know that both Youngstown Sheet & Tube and Republic Steel were founded in Youngstown the last year of the nineteenth and first year of the twentieth. What a loss that they are gone.
I was the QA Supervisor at ITT Grinnell in Warren beside Packard Electric for six-years in mid-70's.
Ron
@Mark Boyce posted:That's good you have enough plywood, but bummer on the printer
Thanks. I'm still weighing options on the "floor" for the Open Hearth. It will be very heavy with that plywood and I'm not getting any stronger.
As to the printer, I have gotten maybe 10 years service out of it. I would like to extend its life as I doubt a replacement will be better built or less expensive.
George
Ron and Jeff - thanks for chiming in. The open hearth model is rather large, complex, and heavy. Right now I'm working through some of its basics (mounting, strength, mobility - if any). Unfortunately, I am still a long ways away from actually constructing the finished model. Pieces exist, but there are still lots of walls and framework to assemble. Right now, it's mostly a mental model.
George
Out of curiosity I looked on Amazon for printers capable of 11x17 inch prints. Found this one that doesn’t seem to be overly expensive. Reviews as usual are mixed.
@G3750 posted:Thanks. I'm still weighing options on the "floor" for the Open Hearth. It will be very heavy with that plywood and I'm not getting any stronger.
George
Using a piece of 1/8” Masonite with a little reinforcement underneath might help substantially with the weight issue. I can relate to the “not getting any stronger” statement, getting old, well you know.
GregM,
Thank you on both counts. The Epson might be a good choice. I do have over $100 "invested" in ink cartridges for the Brother at this point, so I'm hoping for a repair.
Masonite (I'm looking at 1/4") with reinforcement is exactly the option I came to myself earlier today. A discussion with a local lumberyard (not one of the Big Box imbecilic incompetents) proved fruitful. If they can locate a sheet of the stuff (apparently hard to find these days), I will pull the trigger.
George
Updated 2/27/2022:
Work continues on the furnaces (application of brick paper and installation of internal LEDs). I have also started on the smoke stacks. A couple are painted and I am in the process of scribing joints (rings) into them. I am also locating holes for flashing warning lights. Plenty to do, but I'm hoping the safety cages and ladders show up soon. I would like to declare victory on some part of this giant build.
More when I know it.
George
@GregM posted:Out of curiosity I looked on Amazon for printers capable of 11x17 inch prints. Found this one that doesn’t seem to be overly expensive. Reviews as usual are mixed.
Epson Workforce Pro WF-7310 Wireless Wide-Format Printer with Print up to 13" x 19", Auto 2-Sided Printing up to 11" x 17", 500-sheet Capacity, 2.4" Color Display, Epson Smart Panel App
3.5 out of 5 stars 10$219.99
Epson is a great printer but do yourself a favor and get an eco tank instead of this model with the cartridges way cheaper ink wise. I have both and eco tank was worth every penny.
@Shawn_Chronister posted:Epson is a great printer but do yourself a favor and get an eco tank instead of this model with the cartridges way cheaper ink wise. I have both and eco tank was worth every penny.
We have an eco tank Epson. It seems to never run out of ink! I would think they have one that prints on 11x17 paper
Thanks Shawn and Mark! If the Brother is kaput, I will certainly look into it. Those cartridges just kill me - ink prices work out to be thousands of dollars/gallon! 😳 The technician still hasn’t been able to look at it yet, but I am expecting an appraisal tomorrow.
George
Updated 3/1/2022:
I am working on the smokestacks right now. I've drilled small holes and am now trying to thread very long leads with LEDs down their length. Very tedious and difficult. The next time I have a brilliant idea like this one, somebody talk me out of it, OK?
George
@G3750 posted:Updated 3/1/2022:
I am working on the smokestacks right now. I've drilled small holes and am now trying to thread very long leads with LEDs down their length. Very tedious and difficult. The next time I have a brilliant idea like this one, somebody talk me out of it, OK?
George
I take it giving up now is not an option!!
@Mark Boyce posted:I take it giving up now is not an option!!
Foolish boy! "Did we give up when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?"
George
@G3750 posted:
Foolish boy! "Did we give up when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?"
George
No we didn't give up when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor!!!
Updated 3/5/2022:
Not that there's a lot of visible progress to show for all the steam that's been pouring out of my ears (i.e. thinking), but I'm hoping that with this planning out of the way some real forward momentum can be achieved soon.
More when I know it.
George
That's a giant model if that's a yard stick in your photo!
I would like to make a few of my models movable so I can stand in the center of my layout if needed. I'll be watching closely!
I noticed the yard stick too!! I agree making accommodations for moving a model that size need to be made in the planning stage.
Mark, unfortunately a model like that needs a certain size. Bill knows this because he works in a mill and he's building an Open Hearth as well. You can't show the interior if your furnaces, tracks, and ladles are crammed in on top of each other. The alternative is to just show the outside of the building and compress it even further.
George
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