PRR people, ….can you look at this please?

Looked around for PRR 0-8-0 photos and this was the largest tender I came across

http://www.rrpicturearchives.n...ture.aspx?id=5357280

so yours looks a bit big since it's almost as long as the engine.

That tender is from an H10s 2-8-0.  The C1's were built in 1925-27 without tenders and received available tenders from older, retired classes of power.  These were typically low-sided tenders but with the Pennsy, never say never.  The C1s were used in hump service, as transfer engines between yards and as heavy switching power.  Crews did not like them since they rode hard and derailed more in the yard than the more common B6sb 0-6-0.

The boiler on the C1 was much larger than that of the NYC's USRA 0-8-0's.  The C1 produced 78,000 lbs of tractive effort compared to 51,000 for the USRA.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...ia_Railroad_class_C1

If you guys don’t mind looking at this link, this is where I found a pic of a C1 …..that’s what gave me the idea of the H10 tender that Bob corrected me on (thank you Bob, I did say my PRR grammar is poor) ….thanks for the help fellas,…

Pat

Agreed the tender is from an H10 Consolidation class.  Also, the PRR did tend to interchange tenders later in service.  As Bob mentioned, the low sided tenders that could be found on the E6 or some of the very first K4s would be appropriate, but never say never.  I have a photo of an E6 late in life that has a K4 high sided tender.

As an aside, the Weaver model is a brass model, not die-cast. 

Good luck with your project!

@GG1 4877 posted:

Agreed the tender is from an H10 Consolidation class.  Also, the PRR did tend to interchange tenders later in service.  As Bob mentioned, the low sided tenders that could be found on the E6 or some of the very first K4s would be appropriate, but never say never.  I have a photo of an E6 late in life that has a K4 high sided tender.

As an aside, the Weaver model is a brass model, not die-cast.

Good luck with your project!

Johnathan, ….this one is most definitely die cast, not sheet brass…and thanks for the tips on the tender!!…

Pat

@GG1 4877 posted:

As an aside, the Weaver model is a brass model, not die-cast.

Jonathan,

Although most Weaver steam locomotives were brass, the C1 and tender were both die-cast.

My day is complete!  I learned something new today.  I never knew that Weaver did any die cast locomotives.  Now I know!

@GG1 4877 posted:

My day is complete!  I learned something new today.  I never knew that Weaver did any die cast locomotives.  Now I know!

They also did a Connie in die cast too Jonathan, ….pretty nice model,…I believe it’s actually a Baldwin Connie, and not the Alco …..

Pat

Die cast and very heavy.  Here is the tender it came with.

Interestingly enough, I found this photo with a very non-standard PRR tender.  Odd PRR Tender

It appears that the coal bunker was modified from the more common standard tender.

I had the Gunrunner modify my PRR C1 with the fan driven smoke, ERR/Railsounds, as well as the Supachuffa1! She runs like a champ!

If I remember correctly and Joe Hayter could tell this better. I heard this story at the Weaver closing sale. There were two castings that were for sale in the conference room. If I remember correctly a finished very close to as produced casting and a VERY ROUGH casting.

The C1 was the first die cast locomotive Weaver had done.  Joe had invested quite a bit of money in getting dies created, and a test casting made all in Korea. After investing the money and a decent amount of time like a year or so passing Joe received a package from Korea with the VERY ROUGH casting in it. Joe was not happy at all with the quality. Joe actually had gotten in contact with Mike Wolf or they had been discussing projects together and he showed Mike the casting. He was not enthused with the quality as well. So Mike on one of his trips to Korea got the tooling moved to a better facility or one MTH was using and this is how the C1 was finally made. I believe this led to the movement of the Alco 628's and the E Unit tooling moving to MTH as well as MTH having the die cast trucks made for Weaver until he bought that tooling from Joe when Joe retired.

Weaver Pennsy C1, it is die cast.  This one has a Timko motor replacement, and an early speed control drive, with electro-couplers added.  Has good low speed operation.   There were two models.  A special run, for a service group, and a standard Weaver offering.

Weaver also did a USRA pacific in Diecast.  

Pat,

Depending on how involved you want to get, the cab lettering (size/font/color) of your model would not match The Pennsy.

C-1's were numbered in the 6550 to 6639 range.

Nice to have friends that give out locomotives!

How does she run?

Tom

@harmonyards posted:

Need the assistance of some PRR guys/gals please,….so a very good friend of mine gave this Weaver die cast class C-1 0-8-0 switcher to me to piddle with, …when I first opened the box, and saw the little 0-8-0, my intentions were a NYC U class switcher…..until I noticed the Belpaire firebox and the Weaver name tag on the bottom denoting it a class C-1 …..it did not come with a tender, and clearly the locomotive needs a repaint, soooooooo….my question: I have this one lone odd ball PRR tender, but I believe it’s from a MTH G5??…..hope I said that right,….is this correct for a C1?….or close enough??….beings my buddy gave me this engine, ima do it right,….thanks for the help,….my knowledge of Pennsy steam is some of them are green….that’s about it,….but my daddy taught me if you don’t know, surround yourself with talent, and you won’t be disappointed,…..😆….so here I am,….

Pat

There's nothing preventing you from making curved coal bunker extenders as you showin on that wikipedia link. Just remember to attach the bottom of the extender flush with the tender side.

@prrjim posted:

Weaver also did a USRA pacific in Diecast. 

And a die-cast generic Baldwin 2-8-0.

Several Weaver Baldwin 2-8-0. ???,   from the K-Line bankruptcy. Weaver purchased these models and painted/detailed them in house. 

@Mike CT posted:

Several Weaver Baldwin 2-8-0. ??? left over from the K-Line bankruptcy.

Im sorry but i dont remember K-Line offering a 2-8-0. That was all Weaver models doing. K-Line did do USRA 2-8-2's which became Lionel models.

I remember on the front cover of a Weaver catalog the advertisement of a "demonstrator" 2-8-0 [had Baldwin Locomotive Works printed on the tender sides] but that decorated loco never came to fruition!

I almost bought one of those; it was from someone who had broken up the "Masonic Lodge" (?) set.

I did some research and found it did not get very good reviews, so I took a pass.

In your capable hands Pat, it will be awesome... 🙂

Mark in Oregon

@PRR8976 posted:

Pat,

Depending on how involved you want to get, the cab lettering (size/font/color) of your model would not match The Pennsy.

C-1's were numbered in the 6550 to 6639 range.

Nice to have friends that give out locomotives!

How does she run?

Tom

I haven’t even tried to run it yet, ….I’m just on a fact finding mission,….it’s been painted and decaled for the GN, so I know it needs a total repaint……it certainly is a nice detailed model,…so it’s worthy of a refresh……

Pat

I bought my Weaver C1 about a year ago.The previous owner did a poor job in my opinion on the weathering. I putt a err unit in it and it runs pretty good.

I have this MTH diecast tender. I am guessing it is a PS1 tender with the simple electronics inside.

Anyway, I bought it for a project and ended up not using it…if you are interested in it, my email is In my profile.

Tom

@Krieglok posted:

I have this MTH diecast tender. I am guessing it is a PS1 tender with the simple electronics inside.

Anyway, I bought it for a project and ended up not using it…if you are interested in it, my email is In my profile.

Tom

Thank you!…that’ll work perfect!….email sent!..

Pat

Got it and replied. Talk to you soon!

Tom

Fascinating as Spock would say. Lots of Intel popping about. You gotta love train knowledge being passed around like great stock tips.

Took me a while to get here, because the title was so non-specific.  But I admire Pat's abilities, and think the C1 has good lines for a switcher.

I may have a bunch of C1 photos in Staufer and Morning Sun books.  I will take a look.  My first thought is that I may find photos with both those tenders behind the C1, but if not, I bet the first tender minus the "lines west" coal bunker is a match.

@Dave NYC Hudson PRR K4 posted:

Fascinating as Spock would say. Lots of Intel popping about. You gotta love train knowledge being passed around like great stock tips.

Absolutely! I find these types of discussions (along with ones like the K4 repair) to be the most interesting... 👍

Mark in Oregon

I found maybe six different tenders behind the C1.  The closest was a "fuzzy" photo in the Bing collection (Google search) showing a cut-down "Lines West" coal bunker.  There were no K4 tenders behind in any photos I found.

Most common is the tender you have without any structure for coal retention above the top of the water tank.  If that tender is die cast, you could carefully remove the coal bunker above the tank top with a Dremel cutoff tool, then add the arched piece usually found at the rear of a coal bunker and cover the entire area ahead of that with glued-on coal.

Since you are not a PRR type, I could get photos of my tenders without bunkers if they would help.

Here are a couple shots - first one is a Max Gray import, second is a scratchbuilt Atlantic with the tender you probably want.

Oops - reversed.  Bottom is Max Gray.

Note that while the coal bunker is in between water legs, the fireman dumped coal all over the place, probably including behind that small barrier.  Also note that the photos I have seen with this tender behind the C1 all show "Dolphin" style trucks.

Google search:  C1 Images

@bob2 posted:

Here are a couple shots - first one is a Max Gray import, second is a scratchbuilt Atlantic with the tender you probably want.

Oops - reversed.  Bottom is Max Gray.

Note that while the coal bunker is in between water legs, the fireman dumped coal all over the place, probably including behind that small barrier.  Also note that the photos I have seen with this tender behind the C1 all show "Dolphin" style trucks.

Thanks Bob!….I picked up Tom’s project tender from him, ….I’ll modify it to resemble the pics you sent…..this project is down the road a wee bit, but I’ll post up pics on here when I do begin doing the mods…..duplicating those trucks will be a joy in 3 rail,…..but I do have some commonwealths that might be a good start to work with…..again, thanks for the pics!…

Pat

Great thread guys.  Pat, it looks like you have a couple of great options for a tender.  While none of the protype photos suggest either a K4 or an H10 lines west tender, I think either would look classy and very "Pennsy" behind your C1.  It would be easy to justify either as a replacement for the "as built" tender as a result of a wreck, etc.  Certainly there were plenty of spare tenders to be had as older steam like the H10 and K4s were retired.   

Scott, I’ve received a warm welcome from the Pennsy gang, even though I fly a Central flag,……neat stuff,…

now for the million dollar question, the fellas that have posted pics of their Weaver’s….what color are these?….Brunswick or black?…and what was the prototype actually painted?….

Pat

I would believe it would have been black.

Tom

...but then I found this... https://www.angelfire.com/film/prrpics/PRRPaint.html

However, I'm not sure if this would have been passenger tenders only. I really cannot see any PRR freight locos/tenders wearing green.

Go with black!

Tom 

Thanks for all your input too Tom, ….they sure look black to me…..that actually makes it an easier project, …..so black with gold lettering or silver??…..sorry to pester everyone with this, but obviously as you can tell, the PRR is taboo to me…😉

Pat

Pat,

This may help you, too. https://ogrforum.com/...loco-lettering-color

I even contributed to that topic, too.

Tom

i would go with black background, no stripes and gold (or buff) lettering.

Tom