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Steam-era question here.

 

Does anyone know if SP turned their north-bound trains into the Townsend St. Terminal before entering the station? All the steam-era pictures I've found look like this:

 

 

All the locomotives are facing southbound ready to depart. I have never seen an image (yet) of an SP steam strain with the locomotive facing into the station.

 

If they did turn them, where did they do it? I know there was a wye around the Mission Bay roundhouse, but that seems a little out of the way.

 

Any Espee fans know the answer?

 

-S

 

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Originally Posted by P&0 Rail Baron:

Steam-era question here.

 

Does anyone know if SP turned their north-bound trains into the Townsend St. Terminal before entering the station? All the steam-era pictures I've found look like this:

 

 

All the locomotives are facing southbound ready to depart. I have never seen an image (yet) of an SP steam strain with the locomotive facing into the station.

 

If they did turn them, where did they do it? I know there was a wye around the Mission Bay roundhouse, but that seems a little out of the way.

 

Not really. The terminal switchers would wye the train consists, while the steam locomotives went to the Mission Bay engine terminal and were serviced & turned. They then would back down into the station and couple to their train.

 

There are a number of books with color photos of the various passenger trains heading directly into the station, both with steam power and in later years with diesels.

 

Any Espee fans know the answer?

 

-S

 

 

As I recall the operation from the early 1960s, the mainline trains were turned and washed.  The commuter trains were not.  At that time almost all the trains were into the city in the morning and outbound in the evening.  So they had all day to pull the trains off and get the power out and turned.  I think on the King street side there were some tracks with crossover switches right against the station so locomotives could get out on their own.  The system was versatile enough that we could have a private car put on a south bound train and leave about 5 PM, have dinner in San Jose, and the car would be on a 10 PM train for the trip back to the city.  The car was always on the rear of the train.  I also recall the mail cars being on the track next to Townsend Street.  They were probably on the Lark.  You could mail a letter in the RPO car and it would get the RPO cancelation.

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