I have purchased a couple of scents of Mega-Steam smoke fluid that I been using in a Lionel Lionchief plus NW-2 switcher.
The scent only is noticeable the first 15 seconds or so and then it just smells like traditional smoke fluid. I have shook the bottle before filling per instructions.
Do others have this issue with the scent or is there something you can do to have the scent last until the smoke is used up?
John
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I have had issues with the smoke smelling very faint after a few minutes also. I would try a different brand, mega steam is ok but there are better brands that will have more lasting scent and smoke
I've had no issues at all with MegaSteam scents lasting as long as you have smoke, that's a new one on me.
Livesteam1987 posted:I have had issues with the smoke smelling very faint after a few minutes also. I would try a different brand, mega steam is ok but there are better brands that will have more lasting scent and smoke
What are those "better brands"?
John, If this is your first experience with JT Mega Steam, it isn't going to be bad. I really think if you run the smoke a lot more than the first time, it will start smoking and smelling like it is suppose to. Next thing is, what flavor did you buy?
LS1987, Your Statement is somewhat of a two way street. Lionel can only do one thing and that is making right sized trains. MTH has there buildings, and Starter sets. JT Mega Steam has there smoke. I trust JT Mega Steam because the Lionel smoke did not work, the MTH Stuff doesn't smell great. JT Mega Steam is better than Smoke Cloud. That stuff smells worse as it goes along. Mega Steam is the only smoke fluid I use, and the San Diego 3-Railers use it, which has improved how long it takes to clean track and low maintenance on trains.
Now I do this, if I can't smell the scent, I know that the engine needs to have eliminator get run through a few times, put back a scented smoke fluid and it smells like the scent it is suppose to.
another thing to try. leave your train room for a few minutes and then when you return what does it smell like? at the museum people come in all day and can tell what we are running but we can not always tell until we leave and come back. sometimes we get used to smells and can't tell what it is any more. think restroom.
I agree with BigDodge, or nose,s get used to the smell in a few minutes.
SDIV Tim posted:John, If this is your first experience with JT Mega Steam, it isn't going to be bad. I really think if you run the smoke a lot more than the first time, it will start smoking and smelling like it is suppose to. Next thing is, what flavor did you buy?
LS1987, Your Statement is somewhat of a two way street. Lionel can only do one thing and that is making right sized trains. MTH has there buildings, and Starter sets. JT Mega Steam has there smoke. I trust JT Mega Steam because the Lionel smoke did not work, the MTH Stuff doesn't smell great. JT Mega Steam is better than Smoke Cloud. That stuff smells worse as it goes along. Mega Steam is the only smoke fluid I use, and the San Diego 3-Railers use it, which has improved how long it takes to clean track and low maintenance on trains.
Now I do this, if I can't smell the scent, I know that the engine needs to have eliminator get run through a few times, put back a scented smoke fluid and it smells like the scent it is suppose to.
I have Candy cane and Hickory wood. The amount of smoke is fine Just the scent. I'll try using some eliminator when I get some. The engine is brand new I had it about 2 Months.
John
bigdodgetrain posted:another thing to try. leave your train room for a few minutes and then when you return what does it smell like? at the museum people come in all day and can tell what we are running but we can not always tell until we leave and come back. sometimes we get used to smells and can't tell what it is any more. think restroom.
I'll give it a try.
Never had this happen with Megasteam which is the only fluid I use. Did you run all the old fluid from the factory out? How much did you put in? I'm not sure what cheap fluid Lionel and MTH are putting in there locomotives in china but but it stinks! I would get a bottle of Megasteams "Eliminator" and run that for 3 cycles then try the fluid your using again. I do this with all my engines and Eliminator will take out the old smell especially if you fill up and let it sit overnight. If anything what I usually do is mix what ever scent I want to use with "Nada" to tone it down a bit. http://megasteam.com/page20.html
I was told by Lionel customer service to never use Mega steam in any Lionel or Lionchief engines......
They said other brands were fine such as Bachmann's, MTH etc. But specifically advised against using Mega steam in their engines. I didn't ask why.
Train Nut posted:I was told by Lionel customer service to never use Mega steam in any Lionel or Lionchief engines......
They said other brands were fine such as Bachmann's, MTH etc. But specifically advised against using Mega steam in their engines. I didn't ask why.
I have been using it in all my Legacy engines with no problem. They just have to push their own product!
John Graser posted:SDIV Tim posted:John, If this is your first experience with JT Mega Steam, it isn't going to be bad. I really think if you run the smoke a lot more than the first time, it will start smoking and smelling like it is suppose to. Next thing is, what flavor did you buy?
LS1987, Your Statement is somewhat of a two way street. Lionel can only do one thing and that is making right sized trains. MTH has there buildings, and Starter sets. JT Mega Steam has there smoke. I trust JT Mega Steam because the Lionel smoke did not work, the MTH Stuff doesn't smell great. JT Mega Steam is better than Smoke Cloud. That stuff smells worse as it goes along. Mega Steam is the only smoke fluid I use, and the San Diego 3-Railers use it, which has improved how long it takes to clean track and low maintenance on trains.
Now I do this, if I can't smell the scent, I know that the engine needs to have eliminator get run through a few times, put back a scented smoke fluid and it smells like the scent it is suppose to.
I have Candy cane and Hickory wood. The amount of smoke is fine Just the scent. I'll try using some eliminator when I get some. The engine is brand new I had it about 2 Months.
John
They are nice scents however there are many we can't smell at first. For instance I try to buy scents I can smell right off the bat such as Hot Chocolate ,Gingerbread, Grape, Coffee, and Big Boy Smoke those are some of the scents I use. Eliminator is a toy train operator's best friend.
Train Nut posted:I was told by Lionel customer service to never use Mega steam in any Lionel or Lionchief engines......
They said other brands were fine such as Bachmann's, MTH etc. But specifically advised against using Mega steam in their engines. I didn't ask why.
I just think they do that so they don't loose competition in smoke.
Thanks for reminding me Tim. I'm out of grape. 
SDIV Tim posted:Train Nut posted:I was told by Lionel customer service to never use Mega steam in any Lionel or Lionchief engines......
They said other brands were fine such as Bachmann's, MTH etc. But specifically advised against using Mega steam in their engines. I didn't ask why.
I just think they do that so they don't loose competition in smoke.
That is precisely it. We are proud to have friends with all of the manufacturers and do not make a habit of bad mouthing or saying ill things about any of them. Our 12 plus years of making "the world's finest smoke fluid" says it all. We run all types of trains by all of the manufacturers on our layout to make sure that our product does what we say it does in all of those different types of smoke units. We have many customers who have trains from all of those different manufacturers and we do our best to make everyone happy. We are proud to have several authorized repair specialists who use nothing but JT's Mega-Steam when they repair smoke units just because they want their repair work to look the best so that their customer will be happy with the repair. Mega-Steam makes them look good. We are a small cottage industry that specializes with a unique product that is proudly made right here in the U.S.A. Our purpose is to make it fun to use the smoke feature with your trains. Some of the big manufacturers apparently feel that their bottom line is threatened by our small contribution to the hobby and from a marketing strategy, they don't want just your purchase of the locomotives, rolling stock, track, and transformer...they want all of your business.
One of their products really stinks: MARX! Then again the stuff in the WICKED green bottle had a smell worse than Pepe LePew!
I also use Nada and Oil fired steam. Oil fired smells like a steamer which came to Houston three years ago.
Dominic Mazoch posted:One of their products really stinks: MARX! Then again the stuff in the WICKED green bottle had a smell worse than Pepe LePew!
I also use Nada and Oil fired steam. Oil fired smells like a steamer which came to Houston three years ago.
One thing to get is the diesel fill bottle. Works well on steamers also. Less mess!
Train Nut posted:I was told by Lionel customer service to never use Mega steam in any Lionel or Lionchief engines......
They said other brands were fine such as Bachmann's, MTH etc. But specifically advised against using Mega steam in their engines. I didn't ask why.
Yes, Lionel is indeed saying that. However, I tend not to believe it, as I've been using it for a long time. 
John Graser,
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with all the things Lionel contracts out they should consider contracting with Mega-Stream for their smoke fluid. would solve all kinds of issues.
I would ignore what a mfr. says about just using their smoke fluid. I have used JT's in my older Lionels and it works fine. Should work in any smoke unit.
I have been using mega steam for 10 years, put it in atlas-lionel-mth-weaver and NEVER had one problem. 
oh wait, I did have one problem. "I ran out".....
Jeb- next paycheck will make a order.....
I use Woodland Scenic Hob-E-Lubes oil dispenser for my smoke fluid. When the oil is used up, rinse the bottle and fill with Mega Steam.
Steve
Mega-Steam posted:John Graser,
This is your thread and posting...and original question. Mega-Steam would like to see if we can help solve your issues. Unfortunately, your email is not listed in your profile. Please contact us using our email address that is attached to our OGR profile. We care about our customers and we will do our best to help you.
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John
I've been using Mega Steam in both my Lionel and MTH steamers and diesels for many years. I LOVE Mega Steam. I've never had a problem with it. Its a great product!!
I hear that Barts's SuperSmoke is good. Anybody use this?
Have had very fine results with Mega Steam in all manufacturers smoke units, great volumes of smoke and love the variety of scents available. Did notice even with factory fluid in them, at 16 volts (to save older cars from melting:-) Lionel units are "out smoked" by MTH units nearly 50% or better.
Threads on smoke issues always brings out a lot of opinions and comments. There are a lot of variables at play when it comes to making smoke so that should be considered.
Drummer3 posted:I hear that Barts's SuperSmoke is good. Anybody use this?
IIRC we had some of that long ago and the bulb portion of the eyedropper would become sticky/gooey/unusable fairly quickly. Went to Mega Smoke so have not tried it in years.
Try our Smoke Fluid, the scent does not go away.
Thanks
Pat
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I dont think I would use any smoke fluid called Pee Pee smoke in my train room. I use Mega Smoke and love the smell and amount of smoke put out by my engines.
O Gauge player posted:I dont think I would use any smoke fluid called Pee Pee smoke in my train room. I use Mega Smoke and love the smell and amount of smoke put out by my engines.
Neither would I! 
Copy cat fluid.
I called Lionel awhile ago asking about an issue I had with a smoke unit. They said are you using Lionel's fluid. I told them at first yes then I switched to mega steam. They said because I used a product that is not Lionel approved, warranty work on the smoke unit will not be covered
Typical
Chris Lonero posted:I'm not sure what cheap fluid Lionel and MTH are putting in there locomotives in china but but it stinks!
If they aren't using Lionel fluid at the factory, the whole "warranty void" bit seems to be some BS
O Gauge player posted:I dont think I would use any smoke fluid called Pee Pee smoke in my train room. I use Mega Smoke and love the smell and amount of smoke put out by my engines.
Your loss "Player". I'll vouch first hand for a consistent scent. Grape was my favorite. A lighter but steady vanilla was very nice too. And I didn't even clean the pellet&fluid combo-gunk out of some.
Grape even fought off 3 big dogs, 4 sweaty men, and tobacco.
Wanna buy a mega-bridge in Brooklyn?
While both were great, I think Pats stuff lasted longer, and considering most folks don't run things on "high output" daily either, an option not to be pooh-pooh-ed
Hey, Guys
I can tell you our smoke fluid will out perform any other brand. Our fluid was crafted by my daughter who has a Bio-Chem Degree and now is a Doctor of Dental Surgery. If you have not tried our smoke fluid do not pass judgement. We stand behind our product and if you do not like it, I will refund your money. Our smoke fluid was designed because I have asthma and could not tolerate the other brands and my wife hated the smell they produced.
Respectfully
Pat
Patrick's Trains
I remember not too long ago when I saw Lionel using Megasteam in their engines at one of the shows...May be they ran out of their own stuff? I guess times have changed and they are pushing their own scented fluid now. Before they only had their obnoxious scent that put many people off I think.
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