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 I took a MTH SD70ACe three rail unpowered unit and made it two rail with parts from a duplicate SD70M2. It didn't bother me to have two duplicate road numbers. I just was sad that I missed out on the ACe demo scheme and went with what was available. So I used the spare duplicate I already had for a quick swap!!

 I have heard from a member that the unit does not meet his criteria for two rail. The railings seem to bother the heck out of him. I've heard that like ten times now. I don't understand because you can buy the stations from PSC and swap them out?? Maybe he has no modeling skills? I've never even seen a picture of anything here from him???? Hmmm.

It's fine on my RR. Heck 1/3 of my fleet hasn't had the handrails extended to proper length yet!! I just run them and run them and.....

 

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I convert anything from MTH that I can get my hands on. I never seem to finish the job. I run them first!

 

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Funny to me, I was casting pilots and the same member who says the steps aren't right, wanted to buy them from me? With some history of his posts here, I decided that I couldn't charge him enough money. I should have just set the price high. You know, like $10,000.

Maybe he'll post in here and explain the other things that make this model less than perfect? I'm so happy with it, I'm buying them all!

I prefer my trains to have sound capability built inside. I also prefer to run long trains. It's where the excitement is for me. I am very happy with the value of MTH 2 rail. Sound and decoder comes inside. They run for decades for me with a little maintenance. Their drive trains hold up well.

 I'm tempted to buy a high priced brass model of this and install sound myself. Each one costs 5 times the price of this model. That doesn't include the price of adding sound, which is a standard on my RR.

 Who knows, maybe it would raise my expectations from a toy train? I'm not sure why I would do it. I'm happy with these. I don't know what it would prove and to who????

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Originally Posted by Ralph4014:
Well stated Joe. As long as your happy with them then that's all that matters. I have all steam and feel the same way. Though soon I want to find a brass steam engine I can rebuild.

Have fun that's the important thing. At least you don't have that third rail. Lol

Ralph

Yeah, well I do have that extra rail under the tree!

I do have three? Atlas models in O (that B&O is one). I do like their detailing overall. They run good for me.

 I also do G as seen above. All my trains get MTH boards installed. I've tried a lot of other brands in DCC.

The neat thing is the folks who are worried about this sort of thing are mostly 3- railers, which means there is more and more pressure on Lionel and MTH to produce highly accurate models for 3-rail track.

 

I am with Joe - I could not care less whether the hand rails attach on the deck or the side.  I cannot remember things like passenger car window arrangements, so I am happy with converted K-Line.  But I sure like accurate track and couplers, even if it is 5' gauge.

 

To each his or her own, right?

Glad to see that you posted your models and it makes you happy. People are content at different levels of modeling. Like I stated in other post - "Some like art of the masters others are happy with paint by numbers. We all have Our own level. I hope you find the guy looking for the castings. He sure must have upset you. I personally would never use them in my modeling as I enjoy working in brass and that is even on rare occasion.

I do enjoy the CSX Theme! The solid blue is my favorite. Better than the Grey Ghost or the Hockey Stick Schemes! Stephen

 

Originally Posted by bob2:

......But I sure like accurate track and couplers, even if it is 5' gauge.

 

To each his or her own, right?

If I was after perfection, I would have to have the right track dimension too. I would have switched to P48. I'm not sure I could claim perfection with anything less. I do admire the people that strive for perfection. They raise the whole hobby to a higher standard. Maybe there's not many of them left? I feel that's the reason Lionel left their two rail attempts, decades ago. Besides common sense business practice that is. I still wonder how many of their "Smithsonian" 2 rail models were sold? How many modelers had their two rail track? Was it P48??

 I think O gauge 2 rail track captures the look I'm after well enough. I notice everyone has to make some compromise. They are still toys. Some things you just can't scale down without losing.

I know I will take a "beating" again from die hard modelers,but I too would like to see things modeled well regardless of era.

There's so much O scale has to offer. Prototypical ground throw switch stands with working targets go back in railroad history-way back,but there's just no action from model companies.

In more modern eras,from 1975 to the present,single & double safety shelf couplers of the E style coupler,came into existence. Actually the single shelf coupler started out in 1968,but the double for tank cars became a safety mandate in '75 with all tankers having to have them installed by 1978 if my history serves me correctly.

The F style coupler is built with a lower safety shelf & dates back to the 50s according to Kadee. It also has a double shelf coupler style available,the SF model.

 The H style safety coupler for passenger cars fits in there too,but am interested in freight being a modern day modeler,so am unsure of dates for that coupler.

If some of us that feel the same,don't keep subjects going that need addressing,those items will die.

I'm on board with Lionel modernizing their models,too. They've got GREAT scale models,that could rival any MTH or Atlas model,but they've got to make these models adaptable to Kadee style coupler body mounting & trucks that can be changed over to 2 rail scale.

This is just my 2 cents worth.

Thanks,

Al Hummel

Alan, That is being addressed right now by a private modeler in G scale. He is making his own version of the shelf coupler.

 I thought that USA trains has their own version already in 1/29 scale though. Their tank cars come with them.

http://www.usatrains.com/usatrains42moderntank.html

"Die-cast metal coupler with special     tank car feature"

 So I would have thought that O scale modern tank cars would have them by now. There's always a compatibility problem of couplers in all the scales. I'm not sure how many modelers in O scale would commit to a special coupler on just their tank cars if they didn't work well with other existing couplers?

 I would be into it!

I contacted a modeler who has made an E dbl shelf coupler styled after a standard Kadee coupler-it looks GREAT!!

He's having trouble finding a production company though.

I'm looking for a model like the Protocraft model,only I hope a modern style E coupler with the double safety shelfs would become available. Kadee sayings if requests keep coming in,they'll do a Kadee model,but just not now.

I've seriously looked at getting materials to "jury rig" upper/lower shelfs out of&think it can be done,it's just the matter of securing the metal materials & getting them sized correctly.

The Protocraft coupler got me going in O scale,thinking the shelf coupler was a sure thing. Here was a coupler that could be activated with side cut levers or magnetically.

Talking to Protocraft,I found the maker's modeling the 50s & doesn't think the modern era in O scale's worth the investment cost,which I've come to find that most modelers in O are modeling the 50s-mid 60s.

The Protocraft will couple to Kadee & Atlas couplers,but some "5 fingure" handwork is required.

I've found by taking a poll on the shelf couplers,most modelers don't even know what I'm talking about.

Beginning to look like it's back to HO where all that's commonly available.

 

On a different subject,do you think a 40'x25' area is REALLY big enough to make O scale trains look like they "belong"? I'm trying to avoid an "oversized" looking scenario,meaning the train looks cramped for the area it occupies. My 40' shelf looks good,but as I have appliances to dodge,I will have to have about 3 major islands for industry. HO trains would look great there but O scale has me looking long & hard.

Thanks for your thoughts.

Al Hummel

Originally Posted by Engineer-Joe:

Alan, I'm not the guy to talk to as I'm still with bare plywood! I've seen nice layouts where the tighter curves are masked with mountains, hills, or buildings. I also like the more urban tighter areas or industrial where the prototype is in a tighter space anyways.

I'm at the same place actually NO plywood just the 2nd tier out of 4 storage shelves. I threw out some track to experiment on.

Thanks,

Al Hummel

 Rick, I switched the G scale to DC but it worked well with AC. The O gauge has always been AC for me.

 

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