Near Bellevue Ohio beside Rt 20.
Four Rio Grande and two Wheeling Lake Erie
Cell phone camera
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The Wheeling must have a group of former Rio Grande units. I caught a pair of them at Rook Yard a while back. Always liked their paint scheme...
try nsdash9.com chris toth has an outstanding website with tons of pictures and info on current N.S. and WLE locos. -jim
Many of the company officers at the WLE are ex-Rio Grande company officers. They have painted many WLE units in the Rio Grande livery. I'll bet the two "Rio Grande" units in this photo are actually WLE units.
Pretty sharp!
Hard to believe people in RR mgt. have that kind of nostalgia...with their propensity
to merger, take the buy-outs, and run. We who lament the passing of the Grande
just feel like our chains are yanked.
Originally Posted by coloradohirailer:
Hard to believe people in RR mgt. have that kind of nostalgia...with their propensity
to merger, take the buy-outs, and run. We who lament the passing of the Grande
just feel like our chains are yanked.
It does seem very unusual - odd, really - for RR mgt. to paint engines in the scheme from their old railroad. In addition, there's usually concern about name identification, establishing their brand, and not confusing customers/the public. Still nice to see engines painted in the Rio Grande scheme, although it's weird seeing them in Ohio. Like fish out of water.
What I'd like to know is how these people can use that name and paint scheme which belong (I would assume) to the Union Pacific, which jealously guards its copyrights and names.
Originally Posted by breezinup:
What I'd like to know is how these people can use that name and paint scheme which belong (I would assume) to the Union Pacific, which jealously guards its copyrights and names.
Although the Union Pacific do indeed guard their road names, even all previous road names, it really isn't very expensive to receiver "official permission" to use one of their names. I think they only charge something like $15.
Well, I was surprised to learn, some time ago, that the W&LE was a viable brand (that is,
an independent railroad, if it is??) and not drowned in the giant pool of mega-mergers.
So....who knows a little about the current W&LE?
Originally Posted by coloradohirailer:
Well, I was surprised to learn, some time ago, that the W&LE was a viable brand (that is,
an independent railroad, if it is??) and not drowned in the giant pool of mega-mergers.
So....who knows a little about the current W&LE?
Did you "Google it"?
I know some about the Current W&LE. The W&LE has a total of 4 Rio Grande engines 2 Geep 35's and a set of SD40T-2's I wish the tunnel motors still had the mars lights in the lower noses.
They also recently reactivated one of the original Southern units they had number 2965 recently and are using her in yard service with ex GTW 4602. Also W&LE 108 is still running around in the black with bold Yellow lettering paint scheme witch is one of the first schemes the road had on the GP35's.
Originally Posted by coloradohirailer:
So....who knows a little about the current W&LE?
trains magazine done a feature story on the current WLE about 2 years ago .[back issues available on their website,or they come up on ebay,or look for one at a local train show].railpace mag also done a 3part series on the current operations .-jim
Originally Posted by Hot Water:
Although the Union Pacific do indeed guard their road names, even all previous road names, it really isn't very expensive to receiver "official permission" to use one of their names. I think they only charge something like $15.
Maybe things have changed. A few years ago, as we remember, the UP was going to charge Lionel and MTH a whole lot more than that for rights to use UP's logos, which resulted in a major crisis that was finally resolved.
Originally Posted by breezinup:
Originally Posted by Hot Water:
Although the Union Pacific do indeed guard their road names, even all previous road names, it really isn't very expensive to receiver "official permission" to use one of their names. I think they only charge something like $15.
Maybe things have changed. A few years ago, as we remember, the UP was going to charge Lionel and MTH a whole lot more than that for rights to use UP's logos, which resulted in a major crisis that was finally resolved.
Yes, it was indeed "finally resolved" when Chairman Dick Davidson retired, and the new Chairman, Jim Young put a stop to all the foolishness!
Originally Posted by B&LE643:
...... paint scheme witch is one of the first schemes the road had on the GP35's.
I think the witch scheme is all-black. 
Originally Posted by OGR Webmaster:
Many of the company officers at the WLE are ex-Rio Grande company officers. They have painted many WLE units in the Rio Grande livery. I'll bet the two "Rio Grande" units in this photo are actually WLE units.
Pretty sharp!
Did W&LE have to pay Union Pacific a royalty to do this?
Originally Posted by Kent Loudon:
Did W&LE have to pay Union Pacific a royalty to do this?
Read up a few posts.
(Although I have trouble believing UP would allow another railroad to run their engines with the Rio Grande livery (or Katy or MOPAC or whatever) for just $15 and nothing else. Also some serious potential issues exist. Just to mention one of many possibilities resulting from name confusion: UP wouldn't like the negative publicity it would receive if there were a serious train wreck with the engines painted in a scheme owned by the UP, and media started broadcasting that this railroad is owned by the UP.
I'd be curious to know the arrangements whereby the W&LE is permitted to run these RG units.)
