so, lionel's S-3 has two whistles and an air horn.
what is the difference between the two whistles? were they both used on these engines at different times? or what?
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Originally Posted by Forrest Jerome:
so, lionel's S-3 has two whistles and an air horn.
what is the difference between the two whistles? were they both used on these engines at different times? or what?
One is a a Santa Fe whistle and the other is an original MIL S-3 whistle.
HW, do you know which is which?
You can tell by the sound, if you are familiar with Santa Fe steam power and MIL steam power. Since I am not really familiar with MIL steam power, especially the S-2 and S-3 Northerns, it doesn't make much difference to me.
If I remember correctly, the deeply pitched whistle is the Milwaukee one, and the higher pitch is the Santa Fe. I'd have to get mine out and listen to it to be sure. The S-3 originally came with both a whistle and an air horn. The Santa Fe whistle was added while the locomotive was in excursion service.
At first the 261 had an awful sounding raspy whistle on excursion but then they changed it. I think the first whistle was the one on the engine and Steve said the milwaukee made it. At that time they were looking for a better sounding one. I use the lower pitched one as I really like its sound.
Originally Posted by Southwest Hiawatha:
If I remember correctly, the deeply pitched whistle is the Milwaukee one, and the higher pitch is the Santa Fe. I'd have to get mine out and listen to it to be sure. The S-3 originally came with both a whistle and an air horn. The Santa Fe whistle was added while the locomotive was in excursion service.
I think its the other way around, the deep whistle is the Santa Fe whistle which is the one heard most often on 261. The higher pitched one is the MR s-3 whistle and it was mentioned that this whistle has a bad "chime"(as recorded from the prototype) which is why it sounds a bit odd.
Originally Posted by RickO:
Originally Posted by Southwest Hiawatha:
If I remember correctly, the deeply pitched whistle is the Milwaukee one, and the higher pitch is the Santa Fe. I'd have to get mine out and listen to it to be sure. The S-3 originally came with both a whistle and an air horn. The Santa Fe whistle was added while the locomotive was in excursion service.
I think its the other way around, the deep whistle is the Santa Fe whistle which is the one heard most often on 261. The higher pitched one is the MR s-3 whistle and it was mentioned that this whistle has a bad "chime"(as recorded from the prototype) which is why it sounds a bit odd.
RickO you got it. The deeper whistle is the Santa Fe whistle.
Found this information. I'd imagine that given the ALCo whistle was the "factory" unit, it was probably used on a number of different engines.
"261 was built with both a Leslie A-125 air horn and an ALCo 3-chime steam whistle. MILW had air horns on almost all of their larger road engines and the horn was used almost exclusively as they were deemed louder than the steam whistles. Today, 261 wears 2 whistles, an ATSF 6-chime and her original ALCo 3, as well as her Leslie A-125 horn. The ATSF whistle is the most often used today."
>>>"261 was built with both a Leslie A-125 air horn and an ALCo 3-chime steam whistle. MILW had air horns on almost all of their larger road engines and the horn was used almost exclusively as they were deemed louder than the steam whistles. Today, 261 wears 2 whistles,<<
Hard to notice, but on Lionel's model of the #261 there are two boiler top whistles. The #265 & #267 have just one.
Joe.
Originally Posted by JC642:
Hard to notice, but on Lionel's model of the #261 there are two boiler top whistles. The #265 & #267 have just one.
Joe.
Interesting. The 265 and 267 models also have the dual whistle sounds, though, don't they?
Yes they have the same sound chip
