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Bought Nov/Dec 2015 S Gaugian magazine. Nice review on pages 12-13 of AF FlyerChief Polar Express set. Was unaware of its shortcomings when run in conventional mode. Nice to know this but am curious as to why O gauge Chiefs and Chief Pluses  run respectably in conventional mode while the S gauge version apparently doesn't do as well. (There have been numerous reviews on this forum and the two major O gauge magazines touting the performance of Chief and Chief Plus engines in conventional mode as compared to conventional only locos. While of not to the specs of their remote controlled brethren's performance they never the less held their own in such areas as slow speed operation and smoking compared to their purely conventional locomotives!

Finally when Matt Ashba was asked by the review's author "...if the AF olar Express was a one-shot production production item or would it be a continuing production set like it has been in O gauge and G gauge. His feeling was that if customer demand warranted continued production, he felt Lionel would do so..." So I personally hope that despite S gauge being a considerably small portion of the already small niche market which model railroading already is that demand for this set will continue strong in the future because if that doesn't happen  I'd guess it'd then be highly unlikely any additional cars will be made in future years\, the way they've been made for the sibling O gauge set.

Many thanks to the review's author. 

 

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Originally Posted by Landsteiner:

"Was unaware of its shortcomings when run in conventional mode"

 

Not familiar with this set.  What are the shortcomings?

According to page 13 of Bill's astute review, "...My feeling is that if you intend to operate in the conventional transformer mode primarily and not as the FlyerChief, the Berkshire locomotive of the Polar Express will come up short. It really wasn't designed for using just a transformer. Lionel just made it so it could..."

According to Bill's review, specific areas coming up short are accessing sounds using Lionel sound activation buttons and the smoke feature, :...What I observed was that they (Lionel sound activation buttons) did activate the horn and bell, but not as well as the FlyerChief. I also could not use the buttons to activate the announcements. You cannot operate the locomotive at 18 volts because it will speed off the tracks, so the smoke unit does not perform at average speed..."

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Thanks. Appreciate the insights. I guess that's why they provide the remote

 

My take:  In general, even conventional locos can be quirky in terms of their response to sound activation buttons of various eras, at least in many people's experience.  Likewise, smoke production is problematic at low voltages with most designs.  To be fair, sound activation of announcements, in addition to the older features like whistle and bell,  in conventional mode,  is problematic in general (see PS1 as an example).  It's just not possible to have a variety of discrete sounds activated in conventional mode without some complex or kludge-like operational features. 

 

That's the strength of digital electronics, such as the LionChief, LionChief Plus and FlyerChief systems.  They work in digital command mode on your conventional layout, even when the voltage is only 8-10 volts.  You don't need the voltage at 18 volts.  My advice is to use them only in command mode, even if you are primarily operating conventional on your layout.  You wind up with independent control of the loco, full access to features,  and it doesn't interfere with your conventional operations.  Does require more than one hand however. 

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