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There was recently a thread which speculated on why Santa Fe bought 4-unit F3's and 3-unit Alco-GE and Fairbanks-Morse diesels for passenger service after World War II, and thereafter kept the fleet of E-units east of La Junta.  One reason was that 6,000 horsepower locomotives other than E-units could pull a passenger train on the 3.2% grades without a helper engine.  That one is obvious.  The reason the E-units were not suitable, even if m-ued into 6,000 horsepower consists, is that they had such comparatively high continuous speed requirements that they would have been in the short time ratings for the traction motors every trip, unless they had a helper. 

As speed diminishes on an ascending grade, the traction motor amperage increases, producing more heat in the traction motors.  Traction motors don't have winding, like open-frame Lionel postwar motors.  Instead they have copper commutator bars "cemented" radially around the center with "plastic" filling the spaces between commutator bars.  If excessive heat develops, expansion of the commutator bars may loosen the "plastic's" ability to hold tightly, and centrifugal force can pull the commutator bars outward, with resulting destruction. 

I used my 1952 ATSF Operating Manual for Diesel Locomotives to get the following figures, which demonstrate the reasoning behind the decision to keep the E-units on the plains and off the mountains.

CLASS  BUILDER  MODEL  MINIMUM CONTINUOUS SPEED (MPH)
50       Alco-GE    DL-109  34  (2-units, 4,000-hp)
80       EMD         E8m      31 (2,000-hp - used generators/traction motors from E1's)
11       EMC         E3/E6    28  2 units, 4,000-hp)
51/52  Alco-GE    PA-1      23  (3 units, 6,000-hp)
90       FM/GE      Erie-Blt. 23  (3 units, 6,000-hp)
16       EMD         F3         22.5  (4 units, 6,000-hp)
37       EMD         F7         18  (4 units, 6,000-hp)
300     EMD         F7         18  (4,500-hp bobtails)
100     EMC         FT          14.5 (65 MPH blue freight units sometimes used w/boiler car)
325     EMD         F7         14.2  (80 MPH rednose dual-service 4,500-hp bobtail units)
200     EMD         F7          11  (65 MPH blue freight units, some of which had steam generators)

Unless otherwise noted, the gear ratio was good for somewhere above 100 MPH, which was the maximum authorized speed for Santa Fe passenger trains until around 1960, when it was lowered to 90.  My manual was issued just after the last 4 rednose FT's had been regard back to 65 MPH.  When the rednose FT's were geared for 100+ MPH, their minimum continuous speed would have been somewhere in the mid-20's.

There was an additional reason for keeping the E-units on the plains.  If you go up one side of a mountain, you have to go down the other side.  Santa Fe pioneered the use of dynamic braking on passenger trains, and insisted that Engineers use it, to reduce the cost of brake shoe and wheel wear, as well as to avoid unnecessary heating of wheels, which allowed higher speed on descending grades.  The E3, E6, E8m units, as well as poor old DL-109 50, did not have dynamic braking.

The E1A units remained on San Diegan and Golden Gate trains in California, until they were traded back to EMD in 1952-53 on the E8m's which recycled the GE electrical equipment and therefore were not comparable to true E8's.  The E8m's worked these assignments for about a year after delivery.  When there were enough F7's available, Santa Fe just put a couple of bobtail F7's to work on the Golden Gates and rotated overland units to San Diego during layovers at Los Angeles, and the E8m's joined the other E-units east of the Rockies.  The Denver trains did use E8m's, but were only 3 or 4 cars long, and did not lug down below 31 MPH on the ascending grade.  The San Diegans did have to climb a 2.2% grade from Sorrento to Linda Vista but it only took 10 minutes and did not put the E8m's into the short time rating.

I hope this helps forumites understand the reasoning behind Santa Fe's business decision to use the E-units on flat or undulating territory, where they could give excellent service, and to replace them with locomotives that could handle mountain territory at less cost.

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Excellent information, Tom.

 

The one key fact concerning the short time ratings of "E" type units, any of them, versus any of the "F" type units was: the smaller wheels on the "E" units (36 inch diameter) compared to the bigger (40 inch diameter) wheels on the "F" units.

 

Gear ratios of 55:22, or even 57:20 for train speeds on an "E" unit, with their 36" wheels, meant VERY slow armature RPM when slowed down on, say Raton Pass. Thus produceing much higher current at about 25 to 30 MPH.

 

The "F" units with their 40 inch wheels could use gear ratios of 60:17 and still operate at 100MPH, but not be into the high current situations until, say about 20MPH.

 

The Great Northern came to the same conclusion as the Sant Fe, concerning "F" units for mountain grades west of Havre, MT, and "E" units east of Havre.

The New York Central  did the same, buying F units for the "New England States" , having come to the conclusion that the E7's didn't do the job. However, when the E8's came along, the F's were re-geared for freight and the E8's got that job. My question is what changes between the E7's and the E8's allowed this?

Jim . . . yes, I was always fond of ATSF Erie-Built passenger diesel 90, which was regular on the Grand Canyon train between Los Angeles and Barstow when I was a boy.  I viewed it from trackside, but never did ride behind it or work aboard it.  I did work in engine service on the Los Angeles Division, beginning in 1970, and worked with many Engineers who had made trips on the 90.  Generally, it was regarded as a real hot-rod, but, if anything malfunctioned en route, everybody was kind of uneasy about how to get it going again, as Santa Fe just had the one three-unit locomotive of that type, the 90L-90A-90B.  It moved to Argentine when I was about 12 and I never saw it again in person.  As soon as its 15-year amortization was complete, the 90 was traded in (on U25B's, I think).

 

My uncle was a Union Pacific Engineer at Los Angeles, with a 1922 seniority date.  He worked a lot of passenger trains in the late 1940's and early 1950's, when UPRR used altos or F-M's on the secondary LA&SL passenger trains and E-units on the City of Los Angeles,  Challenger and City of St. Louis.  He told me that their Erie-Builts were also their fastest passenger engines.

 

So, yes, my name on the forum comes from that Number 90.

 

Tom

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