I am looking to build a layout replicating the NY Central and L.I. RR with model steam engines from 1900 to 1920. My question is what type/model steam engines were used by both railroads and what company if any manufactures them? O gauge. Thanks.
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Can't help with LIRR but NYC had USRA 2-8-2 Mikados, 2-6-0 Moguls and 4-6-0 ten wheelers. Lionel has made them all. MTH and K-Line have made USRA Mikados. They also made USRA Pacifics but NYC never had this type. Other NYC Pacifics like the K-5 have been done but not in 3 rail. MTH has also made 0-6-0s and 0-8-0s as well as the famous 999 4-4-0. Lionel has done USRA 0-8-0s. These all predate 1920 though the versions done may reflect how they looked in later years.
Pete
I would add the 270 odd Pacifics 4-6-2 to the NYC talley. These were the big new passenger engine of the day.
They were up to the K-3p designation delivered by 1920.
Both MTH and Lionel have made models of NYC F-12e 4-6-0s. The MTH one is from thier Railking line so there are some compromises. The unit number is only appropriate to a later renumbering. I was even able to find an image of the same prototype unit.
I would say it was safe to claim that most of the offerings in NYC in O scale will be lettered to the later Futura or Blade lettering and not the earlier and more appropriate to this pre 1920 style Railroad Gothic lettering that NYC used. Even the "Lines" versus "System" is harder to get in an accurate form to the earlier date. If you care about such things.
For the New York Central....I would get the books written by Al Staufer.
...all of these pics are from Amazon.....
Peter
Steam Power on the LIRR at the turn of the century through 1920 was of varied designs. The largest power was likely the G53sd ten wheelers( the last non PRR design purchased by the LIRR) and the H6sb consolidations ( ex PRR and deliverd about 1915}. This is the period that the railroad was acquired by the PRR . Here is a link that outlines the different locomotives with some photos that operated in that period.
http://www.trainsarefun.com/lirr/lirrengines.htm
The LIRR had a sizable fleet of camelback locomotives , many 4-6-0 arrangement. During this period , the PRR sent the class D-16 4-4-0s, 2-8-0s class H3 and some early atlantics. There were also three camelbacks that the PRR acquired about 1900 which didn't work well fro them and these were sent to the LIRR . They lasted less than 10 years.
Larger locomotives such as the H-10s 2-8-0s, the G5s 4-6-0s and the K class pacifics did not arrive on the railroad until the late 1920s . There was also a small group of L class Mikados which were on Long Island during the war years . Three of these never went back to PRR service being retained in Long Island City as stationary boilers to provide steam service for heat in the PRR coach yard.
Both Lionel and MTH have made camelbacks ten wheelers.Currently Lionel has a Lion Chief plus version and MTH has a Railking version and has featured a premier version in the latest catalog. MTH has made an H3sb and #rd Rail once offered an H6sb which was a very nice model. It had a sound package that was used only for this model . MTH also nade a 4-4-0 with smaller drivers than the Empire state engine which might fill in for a D-16
In general for the era you mention LIRR engines were a mix of early PRR designs and locomotives built specifically for the LIRR without PRR influence. The obvious difference would be the Belpair style boiler on the PRR designs. Of these early engines, the H6sbs were around until about 1950. Some of the G53sd ten wheelers made it past WW2.
Two books you could search out for photos and details would be Steel Rails to the Sunrise by Ron Ziel, published in the 1960s and reprinted as a soft cover. A second book would be " The Pennsy Era on Long Island" , published as an 11 by 8 1/2 hardcover. I saw one of these on the popular auction site recently.
Hope this helps.
taki53 posted:I am looking to build a layout replicating the NY Central and L.I. RR with model steam engines from 1900 to 1920. My question is what type/model steam engines were used by both railroads and what company if any manufactures them? O gauge. Thanks.
You are aware that the Long Island RR was NOT part of the NYC. The PRR owned/controlled the LIRR.
Taki53 -
The NYC books are great - I have them - but you are on the Internet right now...hint, hint. Search, search..."New York Central steam locomotives"...stuff will appear. Stuff that we don't know, too.
I see this sort of question ("what locos, etc., did the XYZ RR have?") many, many times here. I don't understand why an Internet search isn't the first thing guys do. Not that we don't like to share - of course - but, gee whiz - there's so much out there on so many subjects.
D500, you are correct. Thus I posted my links above , but I'll leave it to those to find the needed info.
BTW folks: you can search websites for specific info as in the following example:
site:trainsarefun.com/lirr/ engines
http://www.railarchive.net/nyc...nyc_roster_rrmag.pdf
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/locolist.aspx?id=NYC
A few sites to check out, the first two are roster sites, and the third is the New York Central Historical Society. Hope these are helpful.
Don
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