Where to get Sierra no. 3 locomotive (Rogers 4-6-0) in gauge 0 ?
I know about MTH 30-1755-1 but this is not the same steamer.
Plastic model kit or 3D printed shell would be ok for me as well.
Thank you.
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Nobody makes a Sierra #3 in any scale at present. There never was an O scale model, not even in brass.
In the past, the only models made were in HO: a slightly oversized Mantua/Tyco or a correctly scaled, difficult to assemble kit from Arbor Models.
Rusty
Rusty touched at this point already. Tyco released a roughly 1:76 version of Sierra no. 3 when it produced a “Petticoat Junction” train set in the late 1960s, then kept the locomotive in its product line for many years.
But despite the fact that Sierra no. 3 has endless screen credits on TV and in the movies, no other manufacturer has modeled this locomotive. Go figure.
Indeed, this is one of the great mysteries of this scale--why one of the most famous steam locomotives in the world hasn't been made in O gauge.
But the loco dosen't have to be specifically labeled like Sierra 3 right? There were more lines, which used the same Rogers 4-6-0 engine. Why nobody makes it ?
Chirss posted:But the loco dosen't have to be specifically labeled like Sierra 3 right? There were more lines, which used the same Rogers 4-6-0 engine. ??
Sierra #3 was actually built in 1891 for the Prescott and Arizona Central, which went bankrupt in 1893. The locomotive was moved to California in 1897 when the Sierra Railway Company of California was incorporated.
While other railroads rostered Rogers locomotives, none had quite the same profile.
But that's the thing, #3 has appeared in movies and TV under so many different roads (even Burlington Northern on an episode of Gunsmoke) a model could be lettered for just about anything and get away with it.
That's why it's a puzzlement as to other than the Mantua/Tyco and Arbor Models version no other model has ever been offered.
Rusty
As a fan of the sierra railway I would love an scale O gauge model of #3! Heck some of Sierra's other locos would be nice in O gauge (#28, #30, #18, etc). The possibilities for paint schemes for #3 would be endless.
How difficult is to 3D print loco like this ?
Chirss posted:How difficult is to 3D print loco like this ?
Probably as difficult as it is to get an accurate set of drawings to print from.
Guess the current WBB 4-6-0 is nowhere near similar to that loco? I laugh at comments above, as in your face prototypes like the Strasburg/Great Western #90 (3rd Rail did do N&W 4-8-0), Little River 2-4-4-2, an articulated for less than warehouse sized layouts...it has been done a couple of times in two rail brass..etc., etc., etc., continue to be ignored..
colorado hirailer posted:Guess the current WBB 4-6-0 is nowhere near similar to that loco? I laugh at comments above, as in your face prototypes like the Strasburg/Great Western #90 (3rd Rail did do N&W 4-8-0), Little River 2-4-4-2, an articulated for less than warehouse sized layouts...it has been done a couple of times in two rail brass..etc., etc., etc., continue to be ignored..
Uh, yeah, different body length, different size boiler, different driver spacing, different cab, different dome spacing, different size firebox. Other than that Sierra no. 3 and the Bachmann 4-6-0 are identical, because they both have 10 wheels.
I laugh at those who try to compare a relatively obscure steam locomotive that thousands of people have seen with one that have appeared in these movies and TV shows and hundreds of millions have seen.
From Wikipedia
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sierra_No._3
Movies:
- The Red Glove, 1919 starring Marie Walcamp and Pat O'Malley.
- The Terror, 1920, starring Tom Mix
- The Virginian, 1929, starring Gary Cooper and Walter Huston. This was the first talkie filmed on location rather than on a studio sound stage. #3 was portrayed as Union Pacific Railroad #3.
- The Texan, 1930, starring Gary Cooper and Fay Wray
- Young Tom Edison, 1940, starring Mickey Rooney
- Sierra Passage, 1950, starring Wayne Morris and Lola Albright
- Wyoming Mail, 1950, starring Stephen McNally, Howard Da Silva and Ed Begley
- High Noon, 1952, starring Gary Cooper, who won the Academy Award for Best Actor for his role. The film won three additional Academy Awards.
- The Cimarron Kid, 1952, starring Audie Murphy and James Best
- Kansas Pacific, 1953, starring Sterling Hayden and Eve Miller, portrayed as Kansas Pacific Railroad #3.
- The Moonlighter, 1953, starring Barbara Stanwyck, Fred MacMurray and Ward Bond
- Apache, 1954, starring Burt Lancaster, Jean Peters and Charles Bronson
- Rage at Dawn, 1955, starring Randolph Scott and Forrest Tucker
- The Return of Jack Slade, 1955, starring John Ericson, Neville Brand and Angie Dickinson
- Texas Lady, 1955, starring Claudette Colbert and Barry Sullivan
- The Big Land, 1957, starring Alan Ladd, Virginia Mayo and Edmund O'Brien
- Terror in a Texas Town, 1958, written under another name by blacklisted screenwriter Dalton Trumbo, and starring Sterling Hayden and Sebastian Cabot
- Man of the West, 1958, starring Gary Cooper, Julie London and Lee J. Cobb
- Face of a Fugitive, 1959, starring Fred MacMurray, Dorothy Green and James Coburn
- The Outrage, 1964, a remake of Rashomon as a western, starring Edward G. Robinson, Paul Newman, Laurence Harvey, Claire Bloom and William Shatner
- The Rare Breed, 1966, starring James Stewart, Maureen O'Hara and Brian Keith
- The Great Race, 1966, starring Jack Lemmon, Tony Curtis and Natalie Wood
- The Perils of Pauline, 1967, starring Pat Boone and Terry-Thomas
- Finian's Rainbow, 1968, starring Fred Astaire and Petula Clark
- A Man Called Gannon, 1968, starring Tony Franciosa and Michael Sarrazin
- The Great Bank Robbery, 1969, starring Zero Mostel and Kim Novak, portrayed as South-Western Texas Railroad #98.
- Joe Hill, 1971, a biopic about the IWW activist Joe Hill, starring Thommy Berggren. The film won the Jury Prize at the 1971 Cannes Film Festival.
- The Great Northfield Minnesota Raid, 1972, starring Cliff Robertson and Robert Duvall
- Oklahoma Crude, 1973, starring George C. Scott and Faye Dunaway
- Nickleodeon, 1976, starring Ryan O'Neal, Burt Reynolds and Tatum O'Neal
- Bound for Glory, 1976, a biopic of Woody Guthrie, starring David Carradine and Randy Quaid. This was the first major film to use the Steadicam, and Haskell Wexler won the Academy Award for Best Cinematography for the film, and the film also won another Academy Award.
- The Apple Dumpling Gang Rides Again, 1979, starring Tim Conway and Don Knotts
- The Long Riders, 1980, starring teams of brothers including James Keach and Stacy Keach, David Carradine and Keith Carradine, and Dennis Quaid and Randy Quaid. Portrayed as Chicago, Rock Island & Pacific #3 and Missouri Pacific Railroad #43.
- Pale Rider, 1985, directed by Clint Eastwood, and starring Eastwood and Richard Dysart
- Blood Red, 1986, starring Eric Roberts, Giancarlo Giannini, Dennis Hopper and Julia Roberts in her movie debut
- Back to the Future Part III, 1990, starring Michael J. Fox, Christopher Lloyd and Mary Steenburgen. The engine appears in the scenes set in 1885, six years prior to the engine's actual construction, portraying Central Pacific Railroad #131. While the Central Pacific did have 4-6-0's similar to #3 at the time the film was set, the real Central Pacific #131 was a 4-4-0.[12]
- Unforgiven, 1992, directed by Clint Eastwood, starring Eastwood and Gene Hackman and winner of the Academy Award for Best Picture, Academy Award for Best Director and two other Academy Awards
- Bad Girls, 1994, starring Drew Barrymore, Andie MacDowell, Madeleine Stowe and Mary Stuart Masterson
- Color of a Brisk and Leaping Day, 1996, starring Peter Alexander. #3 was portrayed as Yosemite Valley Railroad #27. The real Yosemite Valley #27 was a 2-6-0.
- The Lone Ranger, 1956, starring Clayton Moore and Jay Silverheels.
- Tales of Wells Fargo, 1957, starring Dale Robertson and William Demarest
- Casey Jones, 1958, starring Alan Hale, Jr..
- Rawhide, 1959-1966, starring Clint Eastwood and Eric Fleming.
- Overland Trail, 1960, starring William Bendix and Doug McClure.
- Lassie, 1961–1962, starring Jon Provost, June Lockhart and Hugh Reilly.
- Death Valley Days, 1962–1965, starring Ronald Reagan.
- The Raiders, 1963 TV movie, starring Brian Keith and Robert Culp.
- Petticoat Junction, 1963–1970, starring Bea Benaderet, Edgar Buchanan and Linda Kaye Henning. Sierra No. 3 pulled the Hooterville Cannonball passenger train.
- The Wild Wild West, 1964, starring Robert Conrad and Ross Martin.
- The Big Valley, 1964–1966, starring Barbara Stanwyck.
- The Legend of Jesse James, 1965–1966, starring Christopher Jones and Allen Case.
- Scalplock, 1966 TV movie, starring Dale Robertson and Diana Hyland.
- Iron Horse, 1966-1968, starring Dale Robertson & Gary Owens. #3 portrayed as Buffalo Pass, Scalplock, & Defiance Railroad #3.
- Cimarron Strip, 1967, starring Stuart Whitman and Jill Townsend.
- Dundee and the Culhane, 1967, starring John Mills.
- The Man from U.N.C.L.E., 1967, starring Robert Vaughn and David McCallum.
- Ballad of the Iron Horse, 1967 documentary by John H. Secondari.
- Gunsmoke, 1971, starring James Arness, Amanda Blake and Milburn Stone.
- Bonanza, 1972, starring Lorne Greene and Michael Landon.
- The Great Man's Whiskers, 1972 TV movie, starring Dean Jones, Ann Sothern and Dennis Weaver, telling the story of why Abraham Lincoln grew his beard.
- Inventing of America, 1975 documentary by James Burke and Raymond Burr.
- Little House on the Prairie, 1975–1983, starring Michael Landon, Karen Grassle and Melissa Gilbert.
- Law of the Land, 1976 TV movie starring James Davis and Don Johnson.
- A Woman Called Moses, a 1978 biopic miniseries about Harriet Tubman, starring Cicely Tyson.
- Lacy and the Mississippi Queen, 1978 TV movie, starring Kathleen Lloyd and Debra Feuer.
- Kate Bliss and the Ticker Tape Kid, 1978 TV movie, starring Suzanne Pleshette.
- The Night Rider, 1979 TV movie, starring David Selby, Pernell Roberts and Kim Cattrall.
- The Last Ride of the Dalton Gang, 1979 TV movie, starring Randy Quaid, Cliff Potts and Larry Wilcox
- Belle Starr, 1980 TV movie, starring Elizabeth Montgomery and Cliff Potts.
- East of Eden, 1981 TV miniseries based on John Steinbeck's novel, starring Bruce Boxleitner, Lloyd Bridges, Warren Oates and Anne Baxter.
- Father Murphy, 1981, starring Merlin Olsen, Katherine Cannon and Moses Gunn.
- The A-Team, 1984, starring George Peppard and Mr. T.
- Bonanza: The Next Generation, 1988 TV movie, starring Michael Landon, Jr. and John Ireland.
- The Adventures of Brisco County, Jr., 1993, starring Bruce Campbell.
- Doctor Quinn, Medicine Woman, 1993, Season 5 Episode 1 "Runaway Train" reuses footage shot for Brisco County Jr.
I love Sierra #3. I first became enamored with trains as a result of the 1957 Casey Jones TV show, starring Allan Hale Jr. Sierra #3 was the real star of the show playing Midwest & Central's #1 The Cannonball Express. I had a couple of versions of the Tyco model but I would certainly love an O Gauge model configured as the old Cannonball with the square headlight and the "balloon" stack.
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There is absolutely no reason a model could not be scaled from photos - in fact, there are times when photos yield a more accurate model than do drawings.
The real reason this model is not yet available is that it has not been seen as a profitable venture. Sunset, at least, is open to venture capital - finance this beauty, and share in the profits?
Will Sunset/3rd Rail actually do that? Anybody done it? Out in how many $ figures? I only managed to get one car custom run by another maker. What l was laughing at was all these people in the same boat l am..., and others on another current post, are also lamenting this: obvious, well known prototypes ignored, while a few redundant prototypes repeat, repeat, repeat.
Yes, but if you are sure the demand is there, then the opportunity for profit is all yours. Too bad for all those folks in the business who overlooked this obvious best seller and made another K4.
I cannot say for absolute sure, but I bet Scott Mann will tell you yes or no, if you are serious and have the financing. Why let somebody else make all the big bucks?
By the way, folks have approached me that way - I could design and manufacture their favorite project at my expense, and they would market it and take a cut of the profit.
Resist that temptation - most businesses will not even talk to you unless you put skin in the game.
Love that engine and the railroad. Shot my audition film (yes film, 16mm mag. stripe) to get my first cameraman job in television with the old #3 in the very early 70's. Don
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NYC Fan posted:I love Sierra #3. I first became enamored with trains as a result of the 1957 Casey Jones TV show, starring Allan Hale Jr. Sierra #3 was the real star of the show playing Midwest & Central's #1 The Cannonball Express. I had a couple of versions of the Tyco model but I would certainly love an O Gauge model configured as the old Cannonball with the square headlight and the "balloon" stack.
I know her as the hootervile cannon ball,but she was in so many t.v. shows and movie.Its said she is most famous locomotive in the motion pictures.She was in back to the future movie.Well one of them any way.I did not recognize her.Because they had put on a different smoke stack.I have always how long a freight train she could pull?Using freight cars from that time.
