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Rusty Traque posted:
Mark Boyce posted:
Craignor posted:

I would like to see the train companies get together and agree on a standard command control system, and sell one Remote/App that runs ALL the locomotives.

It would be very nice, indeed.  I was in HO when command control was being developed.  There were various ideas by various companies.  I remember the NMRA National Model Railroad Association coming up with standards for DCC, and we see DCC was adopted by all the companies, even being a feature on newer MTH engines.

The Legacy code is DCC compatible since 2013 as I recall.   I run my scalified Legacy American Flyer SD70's and ES44's on DCC.

Rusty

I did not know that, Rusty!!  That is something I am going to look at more closely.  Thank you!!

Lou N posted:
jhz563 posted:
Gweedo posted:

Engine having smoke units that turn off when they need  smoke fluid.

This is long overdue!

Actually the TAS style smoke units (similar units used by Atlas and 3rd Rail) have a thermistor in them so if the smoke unit runs dry and starts to overheat, the heat resistor shuts down while the fan remains on.  This has been around a long time.

Lou N

Wow didn't know that.  Looking in my Atlas Manual for the F-Unit it says the smoke unit turns off when out of fluid. Good to know.I probably read it a couple years ago and forgot it.

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The trains of today like the trains of yesteryear still require lubrication maintenance.  Its seems like it needs to be done every year.  I'd like to see train manufactured using trucks and motors with permanently lubricated/sealed ball bearings. Some high end rolling stock has used them, but with a premium $90 MSRP box car it should be possible.

I saw a short video on Tik Tok, now there is a place you would not expect to find train videos... but there was a video of a  coal train that was going under a sprayer, someone said that the coal was getting a layer of water and glue to keep the dust down.  I can't find the video, and I was wondering if that was true.  What if yoiu mand a spinnig wheel with white Easter basket grass to simulate the water coming down. 

-Ability to ditch the rubber tires and go with smooth wheels, if desired.  I despise rubber tires.  Unfortunately, almost NO locos in 3-rail offer a convenient way to get rid of them without leaving empty grooves in the wheels.  Let's make this happen NOW!!

-Ability to easily change gear ratios.  I.e., a separate gearbox, rather than one cast into the chassis.  An added benefit is that wheels and axles may be replaced as a unit, without re-quartering, or resorting to a puller and a press.  (Of course this request presumes that spare parts would be available.)   Sunset 3rd Rail uses a separate gearbox, and also a belt-and-pulley system, which facilitates changing the ratio, if desired.  But it would be nice to see this quality mechanical design in traditionally-sized trains.

-Ability to easily swap/replace motors.  This implies that the worm gear or pinion gear is NOT pressed onto the motor shaft.  Also, that the flywheel is put on with a set screw, and not pressed on.  (Some better locos are already built this way, but most traditionally-sized ones aren't.)

-Consistent and unrestricted parts availability.  Find a good design, standardize on it, and stock enough parts for kitbashing, scratchbuilding, etc.

-Plastic tenders with a metal frame.  Die-cast tenders are DUMB.  It's ALWAYS possible to add weight on or below the frame.  Direct or battery R/C is just around the corner, and you can't get a signal inside of a metal tender shell.  Insulated handrails are a fragile point of failure, and all that circuitry doesn't belong in the boiler where it hinders maintenance of the gear train.  No!!  If I have to cast facsimile tender shells out of resin for my upgrades, then I'll do it!

-Better quality control, especially with regard to the quality of zinc castings (i.e., no zinc pest)!

IMO the perfect loco hasn't been built yet.  Especially with the traditional-sized trains, manufacturers are still cutting corners and there's a lot of room for improvement.  Good thread!

 

Last edited by Ted S

If the manufacturers added all these upgrades I am guessing the cost of an engine would be north of $3,000 and there would never be a new kid added to the hobby.  How about this?  There is a two tier system.  For those that just like to watch trains running around in a circle with a horn and maybe upgrading to a pair of switches and some accessories we keep the base price around $300.

For those that would like to live the dream of having their own railroad in miniature we agree on a monthly fee to be debited from their account probably starting at $1,000 to 1,500.  If there are any issues with the engines or rolling stock they can be returned and a replacement product will arrive the next business day.  If you decide to grow the size of your empire for a (small) additional monthly fee, not a problem.

I only bring this up because a local car dealer is selling cars that are guaranteed for life.  Repairs are free.  If it cannot be fixed you get another car of comparable value.

After all, we all understand that out trains really do not hold any real resale value.  Why not just bite the bullet and just, 'rent to never own'.

Bill DeBrooke posted:

If the manufacturers added all these upgrades I am guessing the cost of an engine would be north of $3,000

Um, no.  American Models S-gauge 4-6-2, and MTH's HO scale steam locos incorporate the features I requested.  Which are hallmarks of quality design, not add-on gimmicks.  They wouldn't cost $3000 if the tooling were amortized over a few thousand units (typical production run.)  It only costs a little more to do it "right."  The manufacturers don't upgrade because most 3-rail O gaugers just don't know better, and keep buying them the way they are.  Not me.  First one to retool their chassis gets at least some of that $3000.  

Last edited by Ted S
Gweedo posted:
Lou N posted:
jhz563 posted:
Gweedo posted:

Engine having smoke units that turn off when they need  smoke fluid.

This is long overdue!

Actually the TAS style smoke units (similar units used by Atlas and 3rd Rail) have a thermistor in them so if the smoke unit runs dry and starts to overheat, the heat resistor shuts down while the fan remains on.  This has been around a long time.

Lou N

Wow didn't know that.  Looking in my Atlas Manual for the F-Unit it says the smoke unit turns off when out of fluid. Good to know.I probably read it a couple years ago and forgot it.

And guess who owned TAS at the time?…………Give up ………MIKE REAGAN !!!   Too bad he couldn’t have talked Lionel into that one ☝️ when he joined them !!!

FREDSTRAINS

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