Speaking of GGD possible projects... 1938 ATSF Chief

Me too. I've been lobbying Scott for these ever since the '37 SC was done. The problem is the Budd cars are made by one builder and the P-S cars by another which more than doubles the minimum number of cars needed.

It has become basically a similar problem with doing the Lark because the Triple diner is fluted and the the sleepers are smooth sided and the baggage and RPO cars are even unique'r. In this case even though it the same builder you have to have both types of extrusions.

Richard

It would be AWESOME if someone would do this set Richard! I mean it would ROCK buddy!

Bring it on!

And if done, we come back to a thread I started that close to 100 people looked at and didn't comment.

To be more direct, I know there are owners out there of GGD Empire State and Super Chief sets, that were not satisfied with the stainless steel color. GGD painted the Super Chief cars. GGD used a different process on the ESE cars which was more expensive and didn't work out well for GGD, as I remember.

Here's the point. I would like to have GGD find a suitable stainless color and stick with it for all future stainless releases, be it engines or passenger cars. That is what Atlas has done and I think they picked a good color. I would like GGD to use the same color for stainless steel, but others may have a better solution.

If there is something like a CB&Q diesel offering in the future, with stainless panels, I would like those panels to match any other offering with stainless panels. Scott NEEDS some GOOD guidance here. Taking something to York, etc is not the best way to arrive at a good color.

I know Scott does his BEST. I'm always very excited when he has a new offering I want. His painted passenger equipment is superb. His products have always improved with time. He NEEDS help arriving at a GOOD stainless process.

Erik and Richard, you are two guys I respect and feel that you are knowledgeable about the color of stainless, I hope that others that have owned high end stainless steel passenger car models can help Scott come to a good looking color that profitably fits into his manufacturing methods.

The CANADIAN is going to need a good stainless color. It should match everything produced afterwards.

Erik - BTW, whose cars are those?

Marker,

The models featured above and below are built by Sam Model Tech and imported by Fred Hill at Coach Yard.

I agree these cars are simply beautiful; well researched and very accurate. Despite the small HO size I still enjoy the passenger sets.




PS Air Conditioning

I just love those Pre-War Pullman Cars.


Budd Diner



Good reference for you guys modeling PS under body equipment placement.

Hard to believe this is HO


Pre-War Budd design

On that issue of "pre-War" Budd design.. Budd found out in Naperville, IL April 26, 1946 the design was dangerous to say the least to rear end collisions.

The usual parade of Chicago/Denver trains left Chicago Union Station first the Advnaced Flyer then 5 minutes immediately behind the Exposition Flyer. At track speed the Expo was a "Silver Bullet" at over 90 miles per hour. Budd lightweight diner Silver Inn was completely destroyed by the much heavier Solarium Lounge "Mississippi" and 68 seat heavyweight Northern Pacific coach NP 1376 to the rear being shoved forward by the Exposition Flyer upon the 85 mph impact.

From Wikipedia:
"The Naperville train disaster occurred on April 26, 1946, at the Chicago, Burlington and Quincy Railroad station in Naperville, Illinois when the railroad's Exposition Flyer rammed into the Advance Flyer, which had made an unscheduled stop to check its running gear. The Exposition Flyer had been coming through on the same track at 85 miles per hour (137 km/h). 47 people died, and some 125 were injured.

According to initial interviews with the train crew, engineer W. W. Blaine of the Exposition Flyer (who survived with a fractured skull) immediately applied brakes upon seeing the first of two warning signals, but it was still too close to the first train to stop in time, and was still traveling in excess of 60 mph (97 km/h) when it struck the rear of the Advance Flyer."





The remains of Budd pre-War Silver Inn lay in splintered shrapnel. The main sills and floor buckled and turned the lightweight car into a death trap. Immediately after this event Budd reinforced their end design and the Q no longer surrounded lightweight cars with heavyweights. A dangerous combination.

From Wikipedia:
"This crash is a major reason why most passenger trains in the United States only travel at a speed limit of 79 mph (127 km/h) or below.[2][3] The CB&Q, Milwaukee Road, and Illinois Central were among railroads in the region running passenger trains at up to and above 100 miles per hour (160 km/h) in the 1930s and 1940s. The Interstate Commerce Commission ruled in 1951 that trains traveling faster must have "an automatic cab signal, automatic train stop or automatic train control system",[4][5] expensive technology that was implemented on some lines in the region, but has since been mostly removed.

Following this disaster, advancements in train speed in the United States essentially halted"

speaking of GGD possible projects... modern era UP excursion train for the fabulous UP FEF. A couple of cars come to mind.

Columbia River - UPP 314 AC&F LW Crew Sleeper (85')
Western Lodge - UPP 5714 AC&F LW Baggage Recreation Car (73'10")
Sunshine Special - UPP 5480 AC&F LW Coach (85')
Sun Valley - UPP 6203 AC&F LW Lounge (85')
Texas Eagle - UPP 5483 AC&F LW Coach (85')
Portland Rose - UPP 5473 AC&F LW Coach (85')
City of Los Angeles - UPP 4808 AC&F LW Diner (85')
Challenger - UPP 7015 Pullman-Standard LW Dome Coach (85')
Columbine - UPP 7001 AC&F LW Dome Coach (85')
Powder River - C&NW 421 Pullman-Standard LW Dome Lounge Full Dome
St. Louis - UPP 102 Pullman-Standard LW Business Car (85')
Harriman - UPP 9004 AC&F LW Dome Lounge (85')
Cheyenne - UPP 103 Pullman-Standard LW Business Car (85')
Cedar River - C&NW 450 Pullman-Standard LW Diner
Chicago - C&W 401 Pullman HW Business Car
Minnesota - C&NW 403 Pullman HW Business Car
Fox River - C&NW 420 Pullman-Standard LW Inspection Car