Sunset 3rd Rail FP7

I would be in for a C&O or RF&P version.

PRR for me.

Jan

I would buy at least 2. 4 if they do Reading. I Have asked Scott about this as well.

@NHVRYGray you forgot my Fav SPAX (septa)

We did 17 of the road names in the first run.  I just have the PRR ones in 2 rail.

I have all the painting diagrams though

I’d be in for a pair of NP’s and a pair of Milwaukee Road FP7’s.

@GG1 4877 posted:

We did 17 of the road names in the first run.  I just have the PRR ones in 2 rail.

I have all the painting diagrams though

so you’re saying there’s a chance?

Toot your horn guys. Email Scott. There’s a lot being offered right now - the Q is     Long !!!

@TheRambles posted:

so you’re saying there’s a chance?

I don't make those decisions on behalf of 3rd Rail.  I merely support Scott in the decisions he makes as the business owner.  I have suggested that a rerun of this might be popular as it has been a while.  If anyone is interested in a 2nd run I'd suggest you contact Scott and request it.  The research is done on most of the roads, but I don't believe Scott has the tooling anymore for this model.  To justify a new tool, it is probably a mininum 350+ unit run.

Perhaps adding a few of the roads that weren't done last time plus some of the repaints puts it over the top? 

I can say though that these models will be going forward first:

• E1/EA
• 2nd Run E5/E6
• Milwaukee Road EP-3
• SD40-2
• FA
• P32DC/P42

That is several years worth of projects but don't give up hope.  That project was a bit of a sleeper on the first go around.

@GG1 4877 posted:

I don't make those decisions on behalf of 3rd Rail.  I merely support Scott in the decisions he makes as the business owner.  I have suggested that a rerun of this might be popular as it has been a while.  If anyone is interested in a 2nd run I'd suggest you contact Scott and request it.  The research is done on most of the roads, but I don't believe Scott has the tooling anymore for this model.  To justify a new tool, it is probably a mininum 350+ unit run.

Perhaps adding a few of the roads that weren't done last time plus some of the repaints puts it over the top?

I can say though that these models will be going forward first:

• E1/EA
• 2nd Run E5/E6
• Milwaukee Road EP-3
• SD40-2
• FA
• P32DC/P42

That is several years worth of projects but don't give up hope.  That project was a bit of a sleeper on the first go around.

Is that the order of production?  I understood that the E1/EA is next, but I thought that the SD40-2 was higher up on the list and that the 2nd Run E5/E6 would be later?

@Jtrain posted:

Is that the order of production?  I understood that the E1/EA is next, but I thought that the SD40-2 was higher up on the list and that the 2nd Run E5/E6 would be later?

You are likely correct that the SD40-2 will come prior to the 2nd Run E5/E6.  I was going from quick memory.

I would certainly want 2 in SR black. And as far as the Clinchfield FP7 200, it was delivered in grey and yellow, painted CRR black, then Family Lines, then Seaboard System 118, as well as three different CSX schemes and currently runs in West Virginia as Western Maryland 67!  ACL's were delivered in purple and silver, went to black, then some went to SCL black. C&O's went to the B&O, and.... well you get the idea! I think enough interest would be there, personally.

I would be down for two as well. One A&WP and one WofA. Petersen's did a special run years ago. I missed out on the West Point units, but I was able to get the Georgia RR.

@GG1 4877 posted:

The research is done on most of the roads, but I don't believe Scott has the tooling anymore for this model.

That's an interesting statement. Who owns the tooling for all these plastic bodied diesels Scott has been turning out? I would assume the factory does, but does that mean that another importer could use the tooling?

Ken

@kanawha posted:

That's an interesting statement. Who owns the tooling for all these plastic bodied diesels Scott has been turning out? I would assume the factory does, but does that mean that another importer could use the tooling?

Ken

Scott changed factories around 2016.  I'm not privy to the specifics.  Some of the tooling went to the new factory and some did not.  The factory retains the majority interest in the tooling typically.  I don't believe the prior factory is still in operation, but that is speculation purely on my part. 

However, with the new slide tool technology doing an FP7 and FP9 using the same tool isn't as challenging as it was back in 2013 when the FP7s were in design.

FP9s for the Canadian Roads as well as NdeM would be interesting.  I'd certainly be interested in some NdeM units and maybe some VIA Rail ones.

I'd also enjoy seeing the former SP FP7s in Amtrak Phase I.

I would reserve SP blood nose and/ or Amtrak phase I

@NHVRYGray posted:

Many of Sunset's diesels have had multiple runs, all except the FP7.  Scott has indicated their is little interest in a rerun of this model.

Yes they are close to F3s and F7s but 4 feet longer.  Is there enough interest to at least see if a reservation spot could be posted?

There are at a minimum 25 paint schemes that could be done if enough to do the artwork.

A&WP, ACL, ARR, C&O, C&EI, CGW, CRI&P, CRR, FEC, GA, L&N, MKT, MILW, NP, PRR, RJC, RDG, RF&P, SLSF, SLSW, SOO, SOU, SP, Wof A, WP  maybe multiple schemes and secondary owners as well.

Would really love to see these be rerun.  I'm in for two SOU black and possibly a CRR.

You also forgot EMDD demo scheme from the Ontario Canada plant.

I most definitely be in for the PRR 5 stripe tuscan AA's, the EMD Demonstrator, and maybe the DLGE single stripe freight units. But alas, Scott Mann is not into it so my next best option is a convert....

the next question is which one is the least costly option...if there is an option?

@GG1 4877 posted:

We did 17 of the road names in the first run.  I just have the PRR ones in 2 rail.

I have all the painting diagrams though

How about the EMDD demonstrator one from Canada? Do you have that painting diagram?

@GG1 4877 posted:

I don't make those decisions on behalf of 3rd Rail.  I merely support Scott in the decisions he makes as the business owner.  I have suggested that a rerun of this might be popular as it has been a while.  If anyone is interested in a 2nd run I'd suggest you contact Scott and request it.  The research is done on most of the roads, but I don't believe Scott has the tooling anymore for this model.  To justify a new tool, it is probably a mininum 350+ unit run.

Perhaps adding a few of the roads that weren't done last time plus some of the repaints puts it over the top?

I can say though that these models will be going forward first:

• E1/EA
• 2nd Run E5/E6
• Milwaukee Road EP-3
• SD40-2
• FA
• P32DC/P42

That is several years worth of projects but don't give up hope.  That project was a bit of a sleeper on the first go around.

Well that explains why this model was never offered as a rerun. I bet this is the same issue with the SD7/9 and the FL9's.

SP Bloody Nose, PRR Tuscan and Amtrak.  All three for me.

That CP Rail is nice too.  Maybe four…

-Brian

I’d be in for one of:

• 2x PRR tuscan red 5 stripe
• 1x Amtrak “bloody nose” if available with an F7B
• 2x Conrail in black with small “CR” on nose and sides

@GG1 4877 posted:

I don't make those decisions on behalf of 3rd Rail.  I merely support Scott in the decisions he makes as the business owner.  I have suggested that a rerun of this might be popular as it has been a while.  If anyone is interested in a 2nd run I'd suggest you contact Scott and request it.  The research is done on most of the roads, but I don't believe Scott has the tooling anymore for this model.  To justify a new tool, it is probably a mininum 350+ unit run.

Perhaps adding a few of the roads that weren't done last time plus some of the repaints puts it over the top?

I can say though that these models will be going forward first:

• E1/EA
• 2nd Run E5/E6
• Milwaukee Road EP-3
• SD40-2
• FA
• P32DC/P42

That is several years worth of projects but don't give up hope.  That project was a bit of a sleeper on the first go around.

Will the 2 Brass Steam offerings fit in here (plastic diesel facility ?) or are they in a different production facility ?  If to fit here, the Q is possibly even longer 😖  
I hope not in this Q. 🤔
Patience is definitely needed 😬

the SF E1 and B&O EA diesels I think are next and should be fantastic--I believe the alco FA's are a go too

How did the various railroads use there FP7s?  They were often paired with F7Bs in AB and ABB configurations, but were they ever paired with regular F7s?

Jan

I’d be interested in Southern Railway or A&WP FP7’s.

@Jan posted:

How did the various railroads use there FP7s?  They were often paired with F7Bs in AB and ABB configurations, but were they ever paired with regular F7s?

Jan

Well I havent seen a picture of it yet but it wouldnt surprise me if the PRR  mated an FP7 to an F7 on a freight run.

@Jan posted:

How did the various railroads use there FP7s?  They were often paired with F7Bs in AB and ABB configurations, but were they ever paired with regular F7s?

Jan

Yes.

And others.  The beauty of MU.

Rusty

Hey Gang!

Im reviving this topic to try and spark enough interest for Scott to consider re running these!

Im in for PRR 5 Stripe Tuscan

I believe a more modern GEVO diesel would be a better choice for Scott than the proposed  GE-9 which Sunset did in brass maybe 20 years ago, very plain model other than plans I doubt there is any useable tooling for the original model, 4-5 years ago I would have bought at least a pair of SD 40-2s today it has to be current diesel.   JMO

I really wish Scott would do an alco RS3 with fixed pilots — practically every railroad had them-only weaver did one properly— one could also offer an rsd4 and rsd5 since they are the six wheel truck version of the RS3 basically

@20centuryhudson posted:

I really wish Scott would do an alco RS3 with fixed pilots — practically every railroad had them-only weaver did one properly— one could also offer an rsd4 and rsd5 since they are the six wheel truck version of the RS3 basically

This I would get on board with tomorrow! RS3’s, Hammerheads & the RSD series diesels! Long Island Worlds fair & PRR for me please.  

side bar: for re-runs I would love to see FL9’s before I see FP7’s

I'd like to finally get a Tuscan B unit to go with my first run A unit.  I have three A's - one in Tuscan and two in DGLE. 

I'd totally be on board for RS3s.  There are three or four distinct phases of that model, so it is more complex than it looks. 

Do excursion railroads sell? I think the Verde Canyon Railroad operated FP7s and they have a beautiful paint scheme.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/...m-72157617046956127/

I would love to see another run of the FP7’s. I have a couple of Rock Islands, and they are fabulous models. It's my dream for 3rd rail to do another go-around including SEPTA, Reading, and Pennsylvania 9880 (Stourbridge Line). I would order the heck out of that run.

Back in 2021, I emailed @sdmann and he indicated it might be time to do another run. So sounds possible!

Guys...if you have a wish list for Scott, how about starting a separate thread instead.  Lets keep this on the subject of the topic.  Thanks!

@OGR CEO-PUBLISHER posted:

Guys...if you have a wish list for Scott, how about starting a separate thread instead.  Lets keep this on the subject of the topic.  Thanks!

Hi Alan!

Is this the appropriate time to request a 3rd Rail Forum to discuss wish lists? 

On topic - two of my 3 1st Run FP7s.

Those FP7’s are sweet count me in

@GG1 4877 posted:

Hi Alan!

Is this the appropriate time to request a 3rd Rail Forum to discuss wish lists? 

On topic - two of my 3 1st Run FP7s.

It might be time to at least consider separate categories for Sunset/3rd rail and Menards....we shall see.