Surprise! It finally showed up!

 Very nice!    I must admit I don't know exactly what happened with Lionel tinplate. My understanding was they sold the line to MTH but MTH was required to keep the name?  But it just seems wrong that MTH makes Lionel tinplate.

Yea!

REGARDLESS of which manufacturer is making tinplate reproductions, it is a GOOD thing, and appreciated by many! (WINK)

Absolutely!   Would have been a shame as the whole line just disappeared.  Like I said. Not knowing the whole situation, it just seems like MTH would have put their name on it. For nostalgia sake though,  I'm glad they didn't.  Nothing like Tin plate with the Lionel markings on them!

Train Nut posted:

... I must admit I don't know exactly what happened with Lionel tinplate. My understanding was they sold the line to MTH but MTH was required to keep the name? ....

I don't know all the why's and wherefore's, but I recall Mike Wolf indicating he LICENSED the Lionel name to play off the Nostalgia factor of tinplate.  Any tinplate that MTH produces that's not under the Lionel Corporation Tinplate umbrella is part of MTH's Tinplate Traditions line.

I also recall Mike Wolf mentioning he probably would NOT have expanded the Standard Gauge Tinplate offerings to the degree he did in recent years, if he had not acquired the license to use Lionel's name either on the rolling stick or at least on the Lionel Corporation Tinplate product boxes that evoke images of nostalgic charm.  So while both companies have their competitive issues to deal with, there's still an acknowledgement on MTH's part that the Lionel brand carries a ton of weight when it comes to selling a product that bears it's name. 

David

I got my tinplate 2017 club car ,yesterday,now if only the 2016 tca tinplate convention map reefer would appear

Rocky Mountaineer posted:

Train Nut posted:

... I must admit I don't know exactly what happened with Lionel tinplate. My understanding was they sold the line to MTH but MTH was required to keep the name? ....

I don't know all the why's and wherefore's, but I recall Mike Wolf indicating he LICENSED the Lionel name to play off the Nostalgia factor of tinplate.  Any tinplate that MTH produces that's not under the Lionel Corporation Tinplate umbrella is part of MTH's Tinplate Traditions line.

I also recall Mike Wolf mentioning he probably would NOT have expanded the Standard Gauge Tinplate offerings to the degree he did in recent years, if he had not acquired the license to use Lionel's name either on the rolling stick or at least on the Lionel Corporation Tinplate product boxes that evoke images of nostalgic charm.  So while both companies have their competitive issues to deal with, there's still an acknowledgement on MTH's part that the Lionel brand carries a ton of weight when it comes to selling a product that bears it's name. 

David

It is my understanding that the contract is through 2020.  So unless they renegotiate the window may be closing.

"My understanding was they sold the line to MTH but MTH was required to keep the name? "

Licensed the brand name and trade dress, rather than purchased the "line" or name, I believe.

When MTH won it's second suit against Lionel in the earlier part of the last decade , one of the things that Lionel agreed to was that the tinplate would all be made by MTH and the Lionel name applied and Lionel was paid a royalty for this. The bulk of any profits would accrue to MTH. That's why you see Protosound in the tinplate Lionel engines and not TMCC or Legacy.

terry hudon posted:

I got my tinplate 2017 club car ,yesterday,now if only the 2016 tca tinplate convention map reefer would appear

 

MTH agreed to run the convention car when they ran O gauge tin plate cars.  I have been told that they are in the same container and should be shipping soon.

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