Texas & Pacific #610's Whistle?

Type in "Southern 610" on youtube, and you'll get plenty of recordings.  There are a few dvds out there as well that have slightly better audio quality.  610 wore at least two whistles during the service for the Southern.

In this video it sounds very similar to a UP  Hancock whistle. Go to the 6:09 mark:

The whistle does sound similar to a UP whistle, I'm hearing the current 4449 and 3985 whistle tones in the videos.

Bruk posted:

The whistle does sound similar to a UP whistle, I'm hearing the current 4449 and 3985 whistle tones in the videos.

Fairly typical of the Hancock 3 tone, deep type whistles. The only real differences in overall sound would be whether superheated or saturated steam is supplied, and boiler pressure.

Bringing back an old thread. 

I came across this video here yesterday of #28 sporting T&P 610’s Whistle (Hancock longbell 3 chime) 

https://youtu.be/6iBjxLBEhcQ

It be nice if Lionel would have more of a “selection” of deep toned whistles. 

@Bruk posted:

Bringing back an old thread. 

I came across this video here yesterday of #28 sporting T&P 610’s Whistle (Hancock longbell 3 chime) 

https://youtu.be/6iBjxLBEhcQ

It be nice if Lionel would have more of a “selection” of deep toned whistles. 

Yes, that's it, but take into account that its being run at a much lower pressure (185 vs 255).  There is a bit of a difference.  Per an article in Trains on the 600s (and 610), the prototype for the whistle was a Nathan whistle with custom sliding pistons in the Marshall shops that was subsequently tuned to a minor chord.  Quite a few T&P classes ended up with the same whistle style.  610's whistle is pretty distinctive as there is a squeak in there.  It's a very nice tone when it doesn't break into the squeal.

You can hear the whistle on some of the 610 videos.  It also wore a whistle off a Southern Ps4 at various times as well from Bill Purdie's collection.  That Ps4 whistle ended up on probably everything Southern ran in the steam program at one point or another up until about 1980.

@Hot Water posted:

Fairly typical of the Hancock 3 tone, deep type whistles. The only real differences in overall sound would be whether superheated or saturated steam is supplied, and boiler pressure.

I think they sound better on saturated steam but that’s just my personal preference.

I know it's an old video, but to me it does sound like the three chime long bell Hancock, but it has the hoarse, raspy sound of the step top version that came out in 1938. To me the older flat top version, similar to what Frisco 1522 had, produced a much nicer sound, although very similar. 

I's not a Hancock whistle, the bowl on #28's whistle is too deep, and the cuts at the bottom of the bell are different too. Hancock used a thinner bowl, and there were no distinct cuts at the bottom of the bell. It does look like a three chime long bell, but the bowl looks more like a Nathan. But like so many other roads, T&P could have made their own whistles.