Skip to main content

A set of the MTH OCEM passenger cars -- the post 1956 version of the set, 22-60026, arrived at the house yesterday.  After some background information, here are my initial impressions:

  I.  These cars were built for a consortium of the French railways -- the Etat, Midi, PLM and A-L [ eg, not the Nord, Est, or P-O ] -- between 1925 and 1932.  A total of 841 of 9 different passenger vehicle types were produced, and are generally referred to as the "OCEM RA" type, RA standing for "rivets apparents", or 'visible rivets'.  Subsequent tranches of OCEM designed cars were the FL [ = flush rivets ] and welded designs.

     MTH has produced these cars in three versions:  the PLM pre-nationalization scheme;  the SNCF green, pre-1956, when there were still three classes;  and a circa-early 1960's scheme, which is reviewed here.

 

 II.  Each set consists of five cars; in this case, two B9's, an A3B5, a B4D, and an "RPO".  Two of the cars, the B4D and one of the B9's, are done in a newer SNCF livery with an overall green roof and a round SNCF emblem midships;  the other B9 and the AB are in a more classic scheme with black roof and underbody.  The postal car is in bordeaux red with a grey roof.

    1.  The paint application and lettering appears first rate.

    2.  These cars are produced in the same general manner as the MTH "Orient Express" cars;  that is, they have a one piece body and roof, and provision for either scale screw couplers,  which is how the cars arrive, or with mounting pads for KD's.  Thus, unlike the MTH Rheingold cars, these do NOT have 'Lenz' couplers in a KK mount, removable roof sections, or opening doors.

    3.  The roof mounted air lines and fittings [ for the Emergency Brake handle in each compartment ] seem well done and reasonably sturdy;  a little paint flaking from a few spots on the 'pipe' [ = metal wire ] was one of the few defects I noticed, and a very minor one at that.

    4.  The interiors, with one exception, are single piece moldings in a solid dark brown.  The seating configurations are, I believe, correct:  four a side in 2nd cl, 3 a side in first.

The A3B5 also has white tables fitted at the window sides of the compartments, in both classes. [ Actually one of the second class compartments in my car is 'missing' a table;  if it is in the car, it doesn't rattle, so this car will be the one taken apart first.]  As an aside, this class of car was built as an A3B5;  hence the second class compartments in it are quite spacious by SNCF standards.

    5.  The trucks are good models of the Y2 type with which the cars were originally furnished;  they do not have roller bearings.  The brake shoes do not line up with the wheel treads;  they don't on the MTH Orient or Rheingold cars either, but these are 'worse', and I shall try to post a photo.

 

To be continued 

5-22-13 download 114_edited-1

5-22-13 download 115_edited-1

5-22-13 download 113

5-22-13 download 121

 

Note:  The white specks on the rubber concertina connections are from packing styrofoam.  That photo and the one of the complete car were taken in very bright sun.

 

Edited to add:  If you are wondering about the "center doors" on the C9's:
    The idea was that in the event of war these cars could be converted into ambulance cars;  the cars' interior partitions, etc, would be removed, and the provision for the double doors in the centres of the cars would be made operational to allow wounded on stretchers to be loaded more easily.  Even in the twenties both sides of the Rhine were getting ready for the next round -- "....it is an armistice for twenty years."

 

 

Attachments

Images (3)
  • 5-22-13 download 115_edited-1
  • 5-22-13 download 113
  • 5-22-13 download 121
Last edited by Steinzeit
Original Post

Replies sorted oldest to newest

Continuation:

  6.  The "RPO" car has neither lighting nor any interior;  as not much can be seen inside, this is understandable.

  7.  On my "official test incline", which isn't much of a grade, the RPO will roll from standstill, as will, though not as much, the Rheingold cars;  the remaining OCEM cars don't, but they're "thinking about it".

 

    Initial impression, Executive Summary:  If you liked MTH's 'Orient' cars, you'll like these, and the two sets do complement each other in assembling realistic train formations.  I was very disappointed that they did not have the close-coupling feature or removable roofs, however.  As usual, YIMV !

 

Best regards, SZ

 

5-22-13 download 116_edited-1

Attachments

Images (1)
  • 5-22-13 download 116_edited-1

Some additional comments on these cars:

 

  8.  The "RPO" [ that's also MTH's term for it, too ] is packed without the steps attached.  Two different versions are furnished, either carbody or truck mounted.

The instruction booklet says the truck mounted must be used to operate "on a O-72 radius [ sic ] curve", whatever that means, and says the body mounted steps require "a much larger radius curve", but doesn't quantify it, and I haven't taken the time to find out yet.

 

    9.  The 0019 [ earlier era ] passenger cars have the windows in the car ends, as was common between the wars.  This 0026 set has the window frames, etc present, but the glass area is painted over, as if a piece of steel plate were installed on the inside instead of the glass.  This sounds like it would be reasonable even if it wasn't done on the prototype -- I really don't know.  Later rebuilds had any evidence of the window removed, and if one wished to do that that would seem 'easy' to do.

     If my 0019 set, preordered 2.5 years ago from a different vendor, ever shows up, I'll illustrate the differences.

 

  10.  There are no electric train heat jumpers, but only one of the cars [ the RPO ] is lettered as having electric heat.  Given the era, and when/where the cars are "based" per the lettering, it would have been a nice touch, but this is a comment, not a complaint.

 

   11.  I thought the rivets on the carbody sides were done very well.  To me, and this is strictly an opinion, the rooftop rivets [ holding the batten strips ] should be smaller, since they are less prominent in appearance -- and wouldn't have a real 'structual' duty.  The prototype photo that I've used is not of an OCEM RA type, but of the next FL generation, which were still of riveted construction but with flush heads, but does show the roof construction well.  When the car was photographed in the mid seventies it had recently been upgraded, hence the new exterior-mounted window frames.

 

  12.  Also notice in the prototype photo what appears to be a lagged steam line at the lower side of the car;  these are angled down from the ends to a low point near the centre of the car.  MTH has provided this line, but it treated it more as air piping [ see photo of model ]. 

 

Edited to add:  13.  I thought the side door of the BD could have had more depth to its recess [ see photo ] -- but there may be a mold technical reason why it doesn't.

 

But enough of my overly critical eye -- they're nice cars.  Please buy a set or two, so MTH will make more European coaching stock.

 

Best, SZ

 

5-22-13 download 124_edited-1

5-22-13 download 126_edited-1

PARIS002014_edited-1

5-22-13 download 124_edited-1

5-22-13 download 126_edited-1

PARIS002014_edited-1

009_edited-1

Attachments

Images (4)
  • 5-22-13 download 124_edited-1
  • 5-22-13 download 126_edited-1
  • PARIS002014_edited-1
  • 009_edited-1
Last edited by Steinzeit
Originally Posted by Stefan Bürki:
..... Indeed, these cars were built after the specifications of the Orient Express cars. The reason is that products for the french market come with original couplers and products for the german market come with Lenz couplers.

Stefan, I think MTH is making a mistake taking that approach.  In my opinion, MTH should view French prototype items, or at least the rolling stock, as having European-wide sales potential, not "a French market" vs "German market".  The reason is simply in the numbers, and hence in the $/euros: 

    The French market is much smaller than the German one;  even a poster on a French forum stated that the the number of members of the Spur Null group [ eg, most 'serious' 2 rail 0 gaugers in German speaking lands ] is 10 to 15 times the size of the [ French speaking ] Cercle du Zero membership !!

    Further, German-speakers are more likely to have a home layout, or at least a layout capable of using MTH products to date.

    I realize there is the 1/45 vs 1/43.5 issue -- but if a model is 'usable', and unavailable in the "correct" scale [ depending on your scale-religion, of course ], then the model is purchased anyway;  no doubt some of these OCEM cars will end up in Switzerland and 'the Busch countries', as they should. 

 

BUT:  Again in my opinion, MTH could increase its sales by making the product more appealing to those buyers outside France by

   1.  Providing Lenz-compatible couplers -- if only for the close coupling feature.

   2.  Packaging sets that are attractive to such prospective buyers:

          A case in point is the inclusion of the RPO car in the existing sets;  since RPO's are very rarely seen outside of their own country, there's a detriment to buying the set right there.  A better solution might have been a second A3B5, but lettered as a couchette -- something that would be 'at home' even in, say, Austria.*

 

Building French prototype models that ALSO will sell well outside France should be MTH's goal -- the two markets need not be exclusive.  Just my opinion, of course.

YOMV !

 

With best regards, SZ

 

Edited to add:  Well, that was a pretty poor "example" !  Not only weren't there any AcBc "Visable Rivets" cars built, but SNCF or anybody else didn't operate 1st cl couchette accomodation into Austria, at least in the early 60's.  So maybe just a second AB, but in the newer livery.

Last edited by Steinzeit
Post

OGR Publishing, Inc., 1310 Eastside Centre Ct, Ste 6, Mountain Home, AR 72653
800-980-OGRR (6477)
www.ogaugerr.com

×
×
×
×
Link copied to your clipboard.
×
×